Bad call!!or my play to tight

mazdagirl

Hi playing last night in a live game €80 euro freezeout I am a very tight player so of course I hit the roof when this happened, getting low stacked about 3 times the big blind left was second last to act one caller who had a massive chip stack I had A9 suited usually would fold these instead decided to push the flat caller called me he had k4 suited of course he hit his flush, now I dont mind getting knocked out of the game usually just say nothing and play a side table, I hit the roof told the player he should not be allowed play poker calling with hands like that made a show of myself and left, I am now thinking am I to tight a player because I would never play with k4 no matter what I am not thinking of changing the way I play and calling more hands or just giving up all together anyone else think he should not have played with these cards he said he called because he had a massive chip stack and could no matter how many chips I have I would not call with k4

dvdfan

So he had already called 1bb in pot + 1.5bb from blinds = 2.5bb and you push for 3BB leaving 5.5BB in the pot and its 2bb for him to call meaning hes getting 2.75/1 and your pushing with 3bb left so thats any 2 cards alot of the time for most players because you dont have time to wait for good cards your been blinded out, its an easy call really and an easy push for you too the only thing you done wrong was complain.

btw how did you get to 3bb, did you lose a big pot or allow yourself to be blinded away?

Quball15

What dvdfan said.
His call was right, your push was right. You were ahead and lost, unlucky this time. But you should never tell someone how to play or not to play a hand.

connie147

The main problem here is you letting yourself get down to 3 x bb's. That a ridiculously low stack and normally you get called by at least two players when you push with this much.

If your pushing here with 8-10 bb's, they dont find the call so easy. Oh, one more thing, when your shortstacked, and you push with A-9, you actually want the player with K-4 to call you. your thinking is results orientated and educating your opponnent and crying about it is not the answer.

Dont let yourself get so low in future and accept your bad beats for what they are, Its all in the game!

bops

push correct
call correct
whinge incorrect

Hitman Actual

He should be calling you there with any 2, not necessarily because he has a massive stack, but because he's priced in against your range. And you're definitely playing too tight. You need to learn how to adjust your play as your stack changes in a tournament; I suggest you read Harrington on Holdem Volume 2, and/or do a net search on short stacked tournament play.

mazdagirl

Thanks For Replys
Lost 2 Big Pots Before That, I Was Proberly On Tilt I Usually Would Never Say Anything Just Lost It, I Have Spoke To The Person Today Its Cool With Him
Was Just Wondering Would Yee Call With K4 Suited He Was First To Act And Flat Called I'm Seriously Thinking I Have To Take A Look At The Way I Play And Loosen Up A Bit I Think I Play Way To Tight

Hitman Actual

Limping K4 suited UTG is dumb alright, don't go loosening up that much! A general way to improve a bit: Early on, when your stack is big compared to the blinds, try to get involved with decent/speculative hands in late postion (medium suited/unsuited connectors, etc). In the mid-stages, staying alive by stealing the blinds is crucial. You should be stealing at least once a round, so raising 3xBB with speculative hands in LP should work. (This assumes you're first into the pot, of course.) When your stack is <10BBs, you need to adjust your game again. Now your steals are just open-pushes.

An important point to remember is that playing ultra-tight in regular tourney games around the country will never win you much money, apart from the rare occurances where the deck hits you in the face. You have to get involved.

Honestly, read the Harrington books. I think you're missing a lot of the basics of the game (no offense), and those books will be a massive help. Best of luck!

mazdagirl

Thanks Lenny
I ordered that book from the bookshop at my lunch
no offence taken I think when I start giving out to people about how they play it is time to give up I am always trying to improve my game so any advice is gladly taken

ditpoker

at what stage of the tournament was this at!? if its only 4 or 5 handed in the money it is slightly different to mid stages and and no where near the money.

Sirtoyou

While its bad for him to limp utg with k4 his call is correct with atc.
Not only pot odds wise but also knocking a player out is +ev.
Playing tight early is good strategy if you can change gears later when you need to.
You can play off your tight image when you need to become a psycho maniac.

ps. read both harrington 1+2 they are an easy read

mazdagirl

It was the final table 7 players left

ditpoker

if its top 6 paid i think you have to find a fold, as it is correct for any player to call a 3bb all in push and you have gotten so short stacked it is correct for you to play for 6th and just fold fold fold.

Chucky the tree

dont tap the glass.

starrywalsh

You had such a low stack you can not blame the guy for calling,its wrong for you to call him a bad player, its wrong to give abuse on the chat to if you lose too , although I love the banter myself

I dont think you should start changing your game bacause of one hand either, your opponent was correct to see you because you had a low stack, instead of looking at his game, maybe look at your own , and I mean that in every respect, in fairness A 9 is not a hand I would get into bed with often, its a hand that could get you into a lot of trouble, I'd prefer a 5 6 suited any day :eek:

In online tourny's ..tight is good, I'm one of the tightest players in the club I'm in, and I still get paid off If you try play the player and position as well as the cards you will win, if you sit look at the screen and think odds then implied odds , position , "what has this guy done so far in this game" , you will win 90% of the time. Take that from a no nonsence online poker player, I wont call my self a "pro" because there is no such thing, you are always learning, even though I play eight hours a day!

Just remember- Online - Tight is good, when you get into 3/6 blinds plus in a cash game lossen up , theres no donkeys at this tabel. In a tourny 100 + you have bluffing power, joe soap does not want to lose his tonne.

Nice CASH Online poker , play the player - not your cards - and please turn your telly off You played the a 9 perfect in your position btw.

starrywalsh

Sirtoyou wrote:

While its bad for him to limp utg with k4 his call is correct with atc.
Not only pot odds wise but also knocking a player out is +ev.
Playing tight early is good strategy if you can change gears later when you need to.
You can play off your tight image when you need to become a psycho maniac.

ps. read both harrington 1+2 they are an easy read

I must argue with the statement is was not bad for him to limp with K 4 , if you are going to play any hand from early position you pump it , 3 times the BB, IT WAS ACTUALLY TERRIBLE FOR HIM TO LIMP WITH k 4.

Oh and I wouldn't read the Harrington books, he is old school, still earning money on the cash circit in cash games, but not a master.

If your going to read a book on poker, and feel you need to loosen up your game, read doyle brunson super system 2, no body can deny he is still one of the best in the business.... by far.

David Michael

mazdagirl wrote:

Hi playing last night in a live game €80 euro freezeout I am a very tight player so of course I hit the roof when this happened, getting low stacked about 3 times the big blind left was second last to act one caller who had a massive chip stack I had A9 suited usually would fold these instead decided to push the flat caller called me he had k4 suited of course he hit his flush, now I dont mind getting knocked out of the game usually just say nothing and play a side table, I hit the roof told the player he should not be allowed play poker calling with hands like that made a show of myself and left, I am now thinking am I to tight a player because I would never play with k4 no matter what I am not thinking of changing the way I play and calling more hands or just giving up all together anyone else think he should not have played with these cards he said he called because he had a massive chip stack and could no matter how many chips I have I would not call with k4

You should have announced you had the painters in at the start of the game. +EV for you.

In seriousness. Play with different styles. Play suited connecters etc

dvdfan

starrywalsh wrote:

I must argue with the statement is was not bad for him to limp with K 4 , if you are going to play any hand from early position you pump it , 3 times the BB, IT WAS ACTUALLY TERRIBLE FOR HIM TO LIMP WITH k 4.

Oh and I wouldn't read the Harrington books, he is old school, still earning money on the cash circit in cash games, but not a master.

If your going to read a book on poker, and feel you need to loosen up your game, read doyle brunson super system 2, no body can deny he is still one of the best in the business.... by far.

Where in that sentence you quoted does it say it was not bad to limp K4

cardshark202

Yo starry, are you a professional?

Chucky the tree

starrywalsh wrote:

Oh and I wouldn't read the Harrington books, he is old school, still earning money on the cash circit in cash games, but not a master.

If your going to read a book on poker, and feel you need to loosen up your game, read doyle brunson super system 2, no body can deny he is still one of the best in the business.... by far.

Where as Brunson is new school?


HOH is widely considered the best tournament series' of books available. I havent read read it, but i have hear SS has some pretty strange ideas.


Also, if your going to buy a book based on achievements then Phil Hellmuth books should be top of the list.

Hitman Actual

Chucky the tree wrote:

Also, if your going to buy a book based on achievements then Phil Hellmuth books should be top of the list.

You forgot the sarcasm tags.

Any new player that follows Brunsen's NL advice in Super System will go broke very, very quicky. HoH I and II are the best NL tournament books out there. Yeah, they're full of ABC advice, but it's perfect for new players in the game. Anyone who has a good grasp of the contents will do very well in regular Irish tournaments, especially where the other players haven't a clue.

mazdagirl

Hi guys thanks for all the replys was away for a few days didnt get a chance to log on, reading the replys I am glad to see that a few people agree with me that his flat call utg was bad that was what I was giving out about there was no way he could fold when I pushed with only 2 big blinds to call it was the flat call the annoyed me, I am looking at my game and have decided to stop playing for a few weeks get a few books and have a break from poker I think a big part of playing poker is keeping your cool and not letting bad beats affect your play, I am still really upset with myself about the rant that night I am also going to try change the way I play when it comes down to the final table I have no trouble getting to the final table its staying at the fecking thing that I can't do.:)

ollyk1

mazdagirl wrote:

Hi guys thanks for all the replys was away for a few days didnt get a chance to log on, reading the replys I am glad to see that a few people agree with me that his flat call utg was bad that was what I was giving out about there was no way he could fold when I pushed with only 2 big blinds to call it was the flat call the annoyed me, I am looking at my game and have decided to stop playing for a few weeks get a few books and have a break from poker I think a big part of playing poker is keeping your cool and not letting bad beats affect your play, I am still really upset with myself about the rant that night I am also going to try change the way I play when it comes down to the final table I have no trouble getting to the final table its staying at the fecking thing that I can't do.:)

Don't beat yourself up over the rant too much.

EVERY player has ranted at an opponent at one time or another.

For me the key to remaining calm and not shouting at people is to think "Will shouting at this guy/girl increase my chances of winning my money back from them?" Generally the answer is no and as people who know me will testify I always try my best to encourage bad players to stick around and come back to play again. Try and bear this in mind and work on hitting your cards in the future!!

GL

BigCityBanker

ollyk1 wrote:

people who know me will testify I always try my best to encourage bad players to stick around and come back to play again.

this is the same way the regulars in the SE treat Olly.

ollyk1

BigCityBanker wrote:

this is the same way the regulars in the SE treat Olly.

have you not got some odds to be posting???? :rolleyes: