100 nl, 140BB effective, KK facing turn shove from fish.

RedJoker

Villain is 47/9/1.4 over 136 hands. He seems very fishy, called my cbet on a 425 flop with K10 and checked down unimproved, he did the same with A10 on a J97 board. Another hand I had 3bet AQs to $15 and he pushed K6o for $20 total. In another hand he overbet the river on a 4 flush board after I checked to him, he had flopped middle pair and my jack high flush was good. He 3bet and called my 4bet with 88 (he was playing about 40BB at the time).

I was playing about 22/18/4 today but I'm not sure what my stats were like on this table specifically, he may not be paying attention anyway.

UTG ( $112.08 USD )
MP ( $87 USD )
CO Hero ( $230.07 USD )
SB ( $112.16 USD )
BB Villain ( $141.85 USD )

Dealt to Hero K K
1 fold, MP calls $1, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, BB calls $4, 1 fold.

Flop (~10.50)
5, 9, 4
BB checks, Hero bets $7.50, BB calls $7.50

Turn (~25)
T
BB checks, Hero bets $17, BB is all-In for 129.35, Hero .....

Fold/call? Comments on earlier streets?

I can post some of the other hand histories as well if you like.

mdwexford

if hes as fishy as you say i insta-call
i also bet the full pot on both streets against a station like him

Captain Tom

bet more the the flop/turn.

really cant see folding this given read.

RedJoker

I bet a little over 70% of pot on flop and a little under 70% on turn.

I usually bet about 75% on flop, 66% - 75% on turn and 50% - 75% on river. Ye're right though, against a fish who isn't paying attention I could probably try to get more.

Misneach

I fold here, why's he called the flop bet?? he has some of it and its not a flush draw, as he would be re-raising here with a flush draw and possibly up and down straight draw, the likelyhood is that he has snatched 2 pair on the turn and I would be folding. How was the outcome?

Hitman Actual

Misneach wrote:

he has some of it and its not a flush draw, as he would be re-raising here with a flush draw and possibly up and down straight draw

How do you know? All the OP really knows is that he's a fishy calling station. There's nothing mentioned about how he plays his draws.

mewso

Oi! include the link to talking-poker please. It's a free service after all.

mdwexford

Misneach wrote:

I fold here, why's he called the flop bet?? he has some of it and its not a flush draw, as he would be re-raising here with a flush draw and possibly up and down straight draw, the likelyhood is that he has snatched 2 pair on the turn and I would be folding. How was the outcome?

this is ridiculous

so you've just narrowed his range to 9-10 specifically.
everybody doesnt check raise their draws.
hands like As-10s or Js-Qs could very well be played like this and considering what he called some previous c-bets with hes liable to have atc on the flop.

Ace2007

Misneach wrote:

he would be re-raising here with a flush draw

Why would he reraise here with a flush draw- that would be just insane

Chucky the tree

Ace2007 wrote:

Why would he reraise here with a flush draw- that would be just insane

Why?

Ace2007

do u reraise when u have a flush draw????

Chucky the tree

Ace2007 wrote:

do u reraise when u have a flush draw????

Well yea, alot of the time i would.

digiman

Thats the worst thing about playing against fish, they could really have any hand here. There are a whole host of hands he could have here as he is a calling station from your description, 1 pair and 2 pair are the absoulote nuts to this type of player from your description. I dont see why he would try to bluff you here with the size of the pot and the amount he has in there already, would be totally insane and would take a complete idiot to try it. There isn't even a strong made hand that he can represent, unless he had flopped trips and slow played you like you would on that flop and you show a good bit of strenght so an overbet here might make you call.
I fold here but hate doing it, I just don't think its worth calling here even against such a fish, I wait for a better spot to take his money. I just feel he has to have 2 pair or trips here to make this move, but then again he could have bottom pair!
How did it work out? I hope you called just to see the result!!

Moneymaker

About 50-50 on whether or not i'd call here. He could have A9c, 9,10 or worst case scenario, a set. I'd probably make a crying call, based on the fact he's a complete fish.

Chucky the tree

digiman wrote:

Thats the worst thing about playing against fish, they could really have any hand here. There are a whole host of hands he could have here as he is a calling station from your description, 1 pair and 2 pair are the absoulote nuts to this type of player from your description. I dont see why he would try to bluff you here with the size of the pot and the amount he has in there already, would be totally insane and would take a complete idiot to try it. There isn't even a strong made hand that he can represent, unless he had flopped a set and slow played you like you would on that flop and you show a good bit of strenght so an overbet here might make you call.
I fold here but hate doing it, I just don't think its worth calling here even against such a fish, I wait for a better spot to take his money. I just feel he has to have 2 pair or a set here to make this move, but then again he could have bottom pair!
How did it work out? I hope you called just to see the result!!

fyp.

digiman

Chucky the tree wrote:

fyp.

Excuse my ignorance, but what does fyp mean?

Ah, i just googled it!! Fixed your post, yeah set is the correct term, dont really know why I was saying trips.
I reckon a set of 4s or 5s, could never imagine it would be 9s or Ts anyway!

RedJoker

musician wrote:

Oi! include the link to talking-poker please. It's a free service after all.

I changed the hand history myself and just copied the image urls from somebody else's thread. I'll use talking-poker in future and will be sure to link .

RedJoker

Ace2007 wrote:

Why would he reraise here with a flush draw- that would be just insane

RedJoker wrote:

Another hand I had 3bet AQs to $15 and he pushed K6o for $20 total. In another hand he overbet the river on a 4 flush board after I checked to him, he had flopped middle pair and my jack high flush was good.

To be fair, he does seem like the insane type.

BobSloane

Looks like he wants you to fold so I probably call. Thing is , has he got a draw or has he got a 2 pair+ hand and he's freaked out by the draw heavy board. He could even think he's very smart and show up with JJ or QQ. Call

cardshark202

callcallcallcallcallcallcallcallcall

cooker3

Ace2007 wrote:

Why would he reraise here with a flush draw- that would be just insane

lol

RoundTower

I call and feel good about it.