50/1 hand, help please

Theresalwaysone

Me UTG AA raise to $3
UTG+1 Calls

Everyone Folds, Pot 7.50

Flop Q49
I bet out $6
Villain calls

Turn Q, Pot 19.50
Check
Check

River J Pot 19.50

I bet out $10
He goes all in for $81

I?........ I folded, I suspected He had at least a queen after the flop bet but the check on the turn put me off? I don't think I should have bet the turn, I cant see anything worse than a Q calling?

Comments of play on all streets appreciated.

Trippie

J10 would also probably call on that flop meaning he spiked a pair

Theresalwaysone

I cant see him coming over the top with one pair average kicker after I bet the river.

I could be wrong.

Chucky the tree

what about checking the river? Get too see a cheap showdown and could easily induce a bluff.

Trippie

how has he been playing preflop does he just call with atc or is he solid. If he had a queen would he not raise your flop bet suspecting a c-bet and then bet the turn when its checked to him?a check call wouldnt be that bad on the river imo aswell

Theresalwaysone

I thought about that, but a big enough bet on the river would push me off.

TBH i felt I was being trapped the minute he checked the turn, I had no reads and erred on the side of caution.

I am particularly wondering about my play on the turn, and my river bet. I think the flop is standard.

Jesus Wept

I don't think many people bluff on the end at smaller limits (likely not even at higher limits).

I think your beat here 95%++ of the time here...

Ste05

On that River you need to have a reason for betting, and a plan for what you do to a push.

So if I was betting it would be with the intention of calling a push because I think my opponent will push with weaker hands or as a bluff, or I will be betting as a blocker bet, thinking I can get to showdown cheaper when I'm ahead then by check calling and may extract money from hands that won't bet the River. e.g. I bet 10-14 and expect 1010, KK to call but, I don't expect those hands to bet, or because I think if I check call he'll bluff very rarely and it will cost me a full pot bet to call, hence it is cheaper to see if I have the best hand by betting.

Sooo, what was your plan before you made the bet, or did you have one, if not then hopefully this post has helped your game somewhat?

[EDIT: Also I'd be making it $4 to go pre-flop as my standard opening raise]

Theresalwaysone

I bet ten because I thought exactly what gordon said, that he may have spiked one of his blockers. I did not expect him to come over the top with a lone jack thats the reason for my post.

I can only see him betting here like this with 44, 99, q9, qj, aq, maybe kq

Ste05

Who's Gordon?? The-Rigger I presume??

Anyway, yeah then it's an easy fold, and blockers is more a PLO term then a NLHE one, here I presume you mean he hit one of his outs, also the turn check is fine too.

Jesus Wept

lol, I'm not Gordon.

opr

I think you played the hand well. I like the bet on the river as if you check all hands that you beat will check behind only hands that beat us will bet. So we make no money when ahead and lose it when behind.

Its an easy fold now as i don't think at these levels that players are turning thier hands into a bluff on the river very often.

Opr

Slash/ED

opr wrote:

I think you played the hand well. I like the bet on the river as if you check all hands that you beat will check behind only hands that beat us will bet. So we make no money when ahead and lose it when behind.

Surely if we bet we're only called by hands that beat us and only fold hands we don't beat? If we're so confident in our read that they'll only bet hands that beat us then a check is an obvious move! However, people bluff, as such, I'd check the river here and call a bet of anything around the size of the pot.

Pre flop I'd make it 4 though, extract a little more from any potential callers who wont lay their hands down for the extra one, the flop bet is grand though and I'd also check the turn for pot control and to see what villain is going to do. Tough spot though, I'm assuming he didn't show in the end?

opr

Slash/ED wrote:

If we're so confident in our read that they'll only bet hands that beat us then a check is an obvious move!

No its not a check is terrible in that case as we always LOSE money !! Unless you are c/f

I'll give an example Let say he was calling with J10
Ok so on the river he now has a hand but most likely not the best hand and he wants to just show it down

Option 1 : We check , he checks behind ..... we make no more moeny.
Option 2 : We bet , he calls ........ we make money.

He will check behind with hands that he may have called a bet from us with and will bet hands that have us beat. This means we never make more money on the river when ahead but will lose more when behind.

Against better players this may become a problem when players are capable of turning thier hands into a bluff on the river but at these level this is by far the best line IMO.

Slash/ED wrote:

However, people bluff, as such, I'd check the river here and call a bet of anything around the size of the pot.

I can't think of a single hand that will have got to this river the way the hand was played and try to bluff.

Opr

Slash/ED

The above is true if we think he'll call us with a hand that beats us. Jack-Ten is the only one I can think of. You say he can't get here with a hand that bluffs the river if we check as played? How was it played? He called a bet on the flop and checked behind the turn, there's a variety of hands getting here that we're ahead of that will feel the need to bet the river as a bluff. Much more than jack-ten, which is the only hand we're loseing value against by not betting I think.

Theresalwaysone

He had a house, well so he said. I think it makes sense. I think he could have got a call out of me with a re-raise to 30 on the river, but his mistake saved me money.

opr

Slash/ED wrote:

The above is true if we think he'll call us with a hand that beats us. Jack-Ten is the only one I can think of. You say he can't get here with a hand that bluffs the river if we check as played? How was it played? He called a bet on the flop and checked behind the turn, there's a variety of hands getting here that we're ahead of that will feel the need to bet the river as a bluff. Much more than jack-ten, which is the only hand we're loseing value against by not betting I think.

What hands get to river that will feel they do not have show down value in this hand ? Even if they think they are behind i doubt very many players are turning the likes of 88 into a bluff on the river at these levels !!!

Opr

Theresalwaysone

And re:Blockers, I mean he hit one of his cards but generally not the ones he wanted to. i.e he wasnt playing for a jack on that board but it improves his hand nonetheless.

Mr.Plough

wouldnt have played it any different. get pt btw

cardshark202

Yeah bet folding seems fine here.

Theresalwaysone

cardshark202 wrote:

Yeah bet folding seems fine here.

Sarcasm?

cardshark202

Theresalwaysone wrote:

Sarcasm?

hmmmm, no

Mr.Plough

no, if you bet you may be called by something you beat but raised by what beats you

Van Dice

Played perfectly imo, checking turn is standard, you will get worse hands to call you on the river that prob fold turn, and it's v likely that one of you was drawing to two outs so no need to price out draws (I'm assuming flop was rainbow since you didn't mention?). Probably any 9 and possibly any pair calls you on the river. And checking river would be pretty bad too, there are no hands he will bluff with but a lot he will call with. He might value bet JT or A9 but you're much better off letting him call with them.
Generally 99% of players play very straightforwardly after a positive river action, what I mean is that very very few people bluff-raise the river. I've found that to be hugely reliable in online poker.