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V-Par

  • 02-08-2007 9:02am
    #1
    One Cold Hand
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    Simple question.
    Can you get cut for a V-Par competition?


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  • #2
    Par72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 640 ✭✭✭Par72


    Get your handicap cut? Yes, absolutely.


  • #3
    ShriekingSheet
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    You most definitely can.

    Standard Scratch Score is calculated in the scoring format of the competition, in this case it might be +2. If you score say +4 you will get 2 x your usual deduction so for a h'cap of 4.1 you'll get 2 x 0.1 taking you to 3.9.

    That said, I'd put money on it that if you rang the GUI twice and asked the same question you'd probably get two different answers!


  • #4
    One Cold Hand
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    Thank you, I felt you could but wasn't sure. Playing in one on Saturday. It's a b@stard of a format, don't know why I put my name down for it! I'd be very surprised if the SS was +2! More likely to be -2.


  • #5
    Par72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 640 ✭✭✭Par72


    I actually really like V.Par competitions but they are so seldom played. I can't remember the last time we had one at my club, everything seems to be Stableford all the time.


  • #6
    One Cold Hand
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    Yeah the one thing I do like is the it's different to the normal. But it is harder....


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  • #7
    ShriekingSheet
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    By +2 I meant 2 up! As in, 38 points -ish! It must be an extremely tough course if SSS was worse than h'cap!

    v Par is strange. It's hard to have a disaster which is good given you can only lose one hole per hole but it's also hard to go nuts if you're playing well, especially for high handicaps. Like when an 18 h'cap makes the odd birdie or two on a good day - they're not worth any more than pars!

    Good for a change though


  • #8
    One Cold Hand
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭One Cold Hand


    ShriekingSheet wrote:
    By +2 I meant 2 up!

    Yeah I know! Thats why I said I'd be surprised if it was 2up, that would be a very high average score...


  • #9
    ShriekingSheet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭ShriekingSheet


    One Cold Hand wrote:
    Yeah I know! Thats why I said I'd be surprised if it was 2up, that would be a very high average score...

    SSS doesn't mean average score - it's a calculation used to cut people. The usual SSS will be on the card. The SSS for the day rarely deviates from this.

    What course is it by the way?


  • #10
    One Cold Hand
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    ShriekingSheet wrote:
    SSS doesn't mean average score - it's a calculation used to cut people. The usual SSS will be on the card. The SSS for the day rarely deviates from this.

    Yeah I know but they are linked. Jeez, gimme a break here, no need to be so pedantic!!!


  • #11
    Mister Sifter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,798 ✭✭✭Mister Sifter


    Can anyone explain to me how a v-par competition works? I have a fair idea, juts would like it confirmed...


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  • #12
    ShriekingSheet
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    It's matchplay against par - hence the name. It's the third choice of singles competition after s'ford and strokes.

    Where you have a shot on a hole (index 1-5 for a 5 handicap and so on) the course "makes a bogey" so if you make a par you win the hole and go 1 up. It's pretty much the same as making a 3 pointer in s'ford but you can't get the equivilant of a 4 pointer as the best you can do is win a hole.

    A par on a hole where you have no shot is a half, and obviously anything lilke a bogey where you've no shot or a d.bogey or worse where you have a shot is a loss of hole.

    At the end you have an over-all score such as 3 up (similar to 39pts).


  • #13
    OilBeefHooked2
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    ShriekingSheet wrote: »
    SSS doesn't mean average score - it's a calculation used to cut people. The usual SSS will be on the card. The SSS for the day rarely deviates from this.

    What course is it by the way?
    That's not entirely correct according to the congu website http://www.congu.com/faqDetail.asp?id=4 .
    Also on the day of a competition it's CSS not SSS.


  • #14
    ShriekingSheet
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    david-k wrote: »
    That's not entirely correct according to the congu website http://www.congu.com/faqDetail.asp?id=4 .
    Also on the day of a competition it's CSS not SSS.

    Oh don't be such a nit-picker! "SSS for the day" is a simplistic substitute for the term CSS.

    And though that site says CSS differs from SSS 41%, and I said it differs "rarely", bare in mind that that the 41% is mostly made up of things like links courses with high-ish SSS that get the odd day in calm conditions and the scores go through the roof, or many days in ridiculously windy conditions and the scores go through the floor, especially in Championships where the whole field is off very low handicaps.

    No, CSS does not differ from SSS 41% of the time on many courses. It differs all the time on a very select few.

    On the vast majority of courses a change in CSS is a rarity - maybe one day in ten.

    Jeez.


  • #15
    OilBeefHooked2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 836 ✭✭✭OilBeefHooked2


    ShriekingSheet wrote: »
    Oh don't be such a nit-picker! "SSS for the day" is a simplistic substitute for the term CSS.

    And though that site says CSS differs from SSS 41%, and I said it differs "rarely", bare in mind that that the 41% is mostly made up of things like links courses with high-ish SSS that get the odd day in calm conditions and the scores go through the roof, or many days in ridiculously windy conditions and the scores go through the floor, especially in Championships where the whole field is off very low handicaps.

    No, CSS does not differ from SSS 41% of the time on many courses. It differs all the time on a very select few.

    On the vast majority of courses a change in CSS is a rarity - maybe one day in ten.

    Jeez.
    Ah ok I see that makes perfect sense, CONGU must have it wrong then!.


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