Looking like a ham, in San Fran

pok3rplaya

Playing a weird NLHE game in Lucky Chances casino just out San Francisco. 9 handed table, blinds are posted as follows: $2 on the Button, $3 on the SB and $5 on the BB. It's $10 to limp pf (yes you read that right). I've just bought in a few orbits ago and won a decent pot so I have about $1400.

Get dealt QQ in EP and I open to a standard $25. Guy directly on my left reraises to $75. He has about $1300. This guy got his stack just an orbit or two before when he called AI with bottom 2 pair on a 9TJxx flushed board with lots of action. I remember being fairly sure he was beat when the hand went down but it held as it turns out. He's not a great player though by any means I'm guessing.

Folds to the CO shorty who pushes all in for his stack of $200. Table folds back to me. What to do? As far as I can see all options suck.

opr

Fold.

Opr

Rb

Fold is fine for me.

There's a possibility you're folding the best hand, but at least should the guy on your left call you'll get an idea of his 3-bet range.

phantom_lord

that's one wierd game. yeah i think just fold.

ocallagh

When I decide that all options equally suck, I always err on the side of caution and presume I over looked the fold option by a small bit..

valor

call, not particularly close

valor

to expand : we have QQ, a very strong hand. we have quite deep stacks which leaves alot of room for postflop play ; the pot is protected so we are not likely to get bluffed off the best hand ; the villain has shown a tendency to overplay hands which means his 3 bet is not necessarily a very strong hand and if we hit or get a low board we have a good chance of getting paid off

5 betting sucks because the villain wont continue with anything we beat unless he is total retardo which we havent seen, and we cant fold, thus call

opr

valor wrote:

to expand : we have QQ, a very strong hand. we have quite deep stacks which leaves alot of room for postflop play ; the pot is protected so we are not likely to get bluffed off the best hand ; the villain has shown a tendency to overplay hands which means his 3 bet is not necessarily a very strong hand and if we hit or get a low board we have a good chance of getting paid off

5 betting sucks because the villain wont continue with anything we beat unless he is total retardo which we havent seen, and we cant fold, thus call

He has shown that he overplays hands on the flop. This is usually not a sign that people will also overplay hands preflop. In general i think bad players 3 betting ranges preflop are pretty tight. Yes we are deep but this is about 1/6 of effective stacks.

Call : If he reraises you will have to fold. This sucks i have to call an extra 175 and don't even know if i will see a flop.

If he calls i don't want to play OOP in a 4 bet pot not having a clue if i am even ahead in the mainpot. We still have to play a flop turn and river to get to showndown and i don't think this is gonna be easy.

I mean what you seem to be advocating is calling a 4bet for more or less set value with a player still to act behind. I think this is horrible. Also the chances of us winning a very big pot should be small because if hes not a complete idiot he should also know that when we bet we are not bluffing and are very strong because of the sidepot.

Yeah we might be folding the best hand some of the time and that sucks but with only 25dollars in the pot i am happy to do this as the other alternatives are just as horrible but folding has much less risk.

Opr

RasTa

Man I miss San Francisco. But since we are so deep I think I flat call.

fabsoul

I see something like this in Vegas, It was called a Mississippi straddle
in a $2 $5 game, the button would straddle to $10 then Sb is first to act.

cardshark202

Yes def call, folding would be madness.

DeadParrot

With stacks this deep I'd also be inclined to call.
The thoughts of pushing to isolate may cross my mind....briefly

gosplan

Maybe it's just me but I really don't understand the popularity of a fold here.

All you've got to go on is that he can be slightly spewy post flop...call!

bops

i think it's a fold

just have a laugh when yerman calls with AJ and rivers the bullet - the all in guy has TT or somethin crap like that

edit: to expand:
you call the additional 175 - and yerman ships it - fkd
you push to isolate and he calls with AA KK - fkd
you both call - oop against god only knows - fkd

just wait for a better spot

insafehands

You could be up against Ax here. If that's the case, the guy could hit an ace on the flop, turn OR river and beat you. Although you might have the best hand preflop, do you really want to take the chance of Ax beating you? $200 is a lot of money, leave now and do something useful, like get a hooker...

The_Chopper

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mrflash

i personally would min raise and have a side pot against the other guy, not knowing the guys involved its impossible to know who is a weak player and who is not, but from your brief description of the guy with 1500, it seems to me he is a bit of a gambler, so i would min raise him and see what happens from there, it is very possible you are up against ax twice, we have no information on the shortstack so its impossible to put him on a hand. the chances of you being behind at this stage are very minimal, and of being behind to two players are really huge.

having said that its more about gut instinct at this stage when you are playing live, its a lot different to sitting at a computer with bundles of information.
i had the experience of getting involved in a serious pot with ak, was min reraised and another player came in, flop was akk, first to act was reraise caller who shoves, i call and reraiser goes over the top, as it a happened i lost to aa, with first to act shoving on qq.

jbravado

Call-looks pretty strong-if there is serious action behind us it looks like it can ony be aa kk or a monkey with ak?