100NL 2nd Nuts

dvdfan

Noble Poker Beaudesert (No DP) 0.50/1, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

Button Hero ($104.05)
SB ($238.29)
BB ($20.50)
UTG ($116.90)
UTG+1 ($88.07)

Preflop: Hero is on the Button with K 4
2 folds, Hero raises to 3.50, SB calls 3, 1 fold.

Flop (8.00) T 7 5
SB bets 1, Hero raises to 5, SB calls 4.

Turn (18.00) 6
SB bets 1, Hero raises to 10, SB calls 9.

River (38.00) 2
SB moves all-in for 219.79, Hero ???


Call or Fold
Villain is 26/7/3.7 over 50 Hands

Macspower

Calls and waves hands wildly in the air while shouting take that you twat and cheering!!!

phantom_lord

call?

cardshark202

callcallcallcallcallcallcallcallcallcallcallcallcall

Van Dice

No decision here surely? He almost certainly has a flush alright but it could be Q high just as easily as A high

Chucky the tree

fold, he made his straight on the river.

mdwexford

call

i dont like the flop raise or the turn raise, both much too small.
either make a decent raise, 10 on the flop and 20 on the turn or else flat call his stupid 1 bets

RoundTower

agree with md why raise so little?

DeadParrot

Call in a heartbeat
and as above you raised far too little
were you worried about your hand strength or did you want to keep him in it?

dvdfan

I guess i was being results orientated, when he pushed i taught to myself he has the nut flush, hed hardly do this with a bluff, at the time he just snap called the raises and pushed the river nearly before the river card dropped. Anyway i just felt so like it was a flush and was worried about the nut flush and i guess thats just MUBS and more often ill see smaller flushes.

On the RR'ing him, id like to hear opinions from the people who felt i didnt raise enough, i like to build a pot with FD and play them hard but i wouldnt normally bet the pot so should i raise the pot, i didnt feel i needed to bet the pot because im not worried about draws and he might fold a smaller flush that i could get paid on and i didnt see the point in building a big pot by the river with a draw and the pot would have been around the $70 mark by the river if i bet $10 and $20 on flop and turn. I can understanding wanting to do this with a made hand but is it wise with a draw?

Just to note normally i try and be consistent in my betting sizes, and id usually bet $6 into and $8 flop regardless of wheter i hit or not and bet somewhere between 1/2 and 2/3 on the turn wheter i have a FD, Trips, Set, Overcards. Of course ill mix it up with c/r and sometimes pot size bets if i have notes suggesting there a calling station but in general i keep my betsizes around that size so on the turn i might bet anywhere from $10 - $15 into a $18 pot depending on the situation/villain.

Edit i agree i probably should have raised the flop to $6 but is it nit picking between $5-$6, also if im way off here what are the reasons to raise more, what do we expect him to call with and fold

DeadParrot

dvdfan wrote:

pushed the river nearly before the river card dropped.

Thats quite some feat for online

Put it this way, would you instapush the river if you had the nut flush or try get some value?

digiman

DeadParrot wrote:

Thats quite some feat for online

Put it this way, would you instapush the river if you had the nut flush or try get some value?

Put it this way, if you know/think that most players would think you would value bet with the nuts whats the point in doing it? I will often push the river like this if I think the player I am playing has a hand he wont fold like a smaller flush because he thinks I would only do this with a strong non nuts hand or a bluff

DeadParrot

good point.
But then not everyone is brilliant thinkers like us

reraiseai

Against a argressive player who i deem to be fairly week i'll always lead with a fairly strong FD, this gives me the option of getting the pot without the made flush, if i hit the the flush and so does he im fairly sure he is a fish draw to a weak flush and im getting his hole stack...

Drunken 2nd post, i like it!!

mrflash

i cannot understand this, whats wrong, i presume you got all his money, you got it and thats it. if he has the nut flush he has made a very bad move, as he couldnt put you on a flush draw as well. so i reckon he has the ace of hearts in his hand but not the flush. thats the target achieved. nothing wrong with what you did in this play.

phantom_lord

mrflash wrote:

i cannot understand this, whats wrong, i presume you got all his money, you got it and thats it. thats the target achieved. nothing wrong with what you did in this play. post when someone folds on the river. this seems to me to be just showing off a hand you where you got a big win.

i was under the impression he lost the hand.

Captain Tom

phantom_lord wrote:

i was under the impression he lost the hand.

OH NO HE DIDNT!

mdwexford

Captain Tom wrote:

OH NO HE DIDNT!

do you keep deleting your posts or am i gone insane??

Captain Tom

hahaha i deleted one because i misread the op then i deleted the next one because mr.flash edited his post slightly so it wasnt as neccessary.

mdwexford

phew!!!!!!!!

i thought i was imagining random posts there for a sec

Lafortezza

Back on topic please, and mrflash is leveling you all.

opr

Not only that but he is great entertainment value.

Opr

mrflash

Captain Tom wrote:

hahaha i deleted one because i misread the op then i deleted the next one because mr.flash edited his post slightly so it wasnt as neccessary.

lol, had to make a small edit, was in the middle of an argument on the moby so didnt post it properly:D

dvdfan

I did lose to the Nut Flush btw but ive accepted that i was just thinking results based and should be happy to get it all in. But what im asking now is about my rr on flop and turn, a couple of people didnt like it but i dont have a made hand so should i be building a pot, if hes going to fold bottom pair hell surely fold to $5 just as quick as $8 and i dont need to protect against a draw because he cant outdraw me when i only have K high so im looking for the reasons why i should rr more here as this is what i typically raise although i usually bet $6 into an $8 pot. Anyway ive discussed this more in my previous posts so id be interested in comments from the people who taught i didnt raise enough?