Live Tournament Hand

TheBlackThing

Hi all, I'm new enough to this forum but have been watching for a while so take it easy on me please...

Just looking for some feedback on this hand as it wrecking my head!

Live tournament
Blinds 100/200 (60 min)
level 4
Hero 9000 (BB)
Villian 11000 (UTG)

UTG, UTG+1, MP, SB all limp in
I have AdKh (BB)

I have extremely tight image (possibly too tight)
Villian has been ultra aggressive, calling most raises with suited connectors, Ace rag, any 2 picture cards, small pocket pairs etc.
He has been by far the most active player on the table and very hard to shake off a pot. He called bets down to the river with some crazy hands but somehow hits and gets paid. (eg. calling a PFR wit 55, flop KJ6, calls a big flop bet, same on the turn, river gives a 4th club and one of his 5's is a club, filling his flush to beat a set of 6's.)
He had his stack up to 15k at one stage but blew it away.

I have been looking forward to getting involved in a pot with him for a while but have been card dead.

I raise up to 1000 (pot)
Villian instantly calls
Everybody else folds

Flop 2c4d5d

I check

He raises 5k

What sould I have done??

LuckyLloyd

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Ace2007

he bet 50% of his stack on the flop and also twice the pot, which means even if you are ahead, he likely has big draw, maybe Axd or a set, you really have no other option other than fold, as if you go all in - he's going to call. I probably would have checked the BB or bet more, but with that many of limpers your bound to get called by someone, and if villain puts you on AK and non AK board that he pushes, knowing ur image- u will fold....

5starpool

Raise more preflop, probably to 1300 or so. Your supposed tight image will mean nothing to this guy.

Has he been seen to overbet pots with nothing before? I would fold here at this point. Someone will catch him soon, and hopefully it will be you. You should be trying to play pots with this dude a lot, and not just wait for premium hands.

LuckyLloyd

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LuckyLloyd

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5starpool

LuckyLloyd wrote:

FYP.

And agree.

He is immediately to the OP's left, so will only have position one hand a round, so it'll have to be a riskier strategy than preferable.

It seems like someone did not actually get him then if it is him.

mdwexford

raise way more pre flop, i would have made it 1600.

if hes that hard to shake off i suppose a c-bet is just hemmoraging chips so a check fold is the way to go.

edit - just thinking about it if you had made it 1600 and he called there would have been 3800 in the pot, so with 7400 behind open shoving against his massive range might not be terrible, it'd depend on what id seen him show in positions like this so far

LuckyLloyd

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TheBlackThing

LuckyLloyd wrote:

btw OP, I assume this was the Macau festival and the villain is the eventual winner Sylvestor Geoghan?

lol
No it was the Egglington last friday and I don't know who the guy was.

The only time I remember this guy over-betting post flop was against me on an earlier hand when i raised with 88 on a jack high board and folded to a huge overbet. He showed me his cards and he had the nuts, I can't remember if it was a straight or a flush.

I just find myself getting very fustrated in situations like this recently. I'm trying to improve my game and fix any leaks but I either find myself playing too tight or too loose.

When I play TAG I always seem to get to the final third of the feild but never look like winning and I struggle to build a big stack and eventually get blinded out.

When I play LAG (which wouldn't be my natural game) I seem to get too involved in one particular hand and end up donking off my chips, I don't seem to be able to fold once I make a decission to represent a hand.

I'm reall passionate about the game and I'm trying to make the transition from being a good pub player to a really good poker player (not working too good yet, but I am trying!)

Appreciate the advice so far!

valor

you played it fine as long as you folded

connie147

The only thing you did wrong here was to raise too little pre-flop. A general rule of thumb is 4 x the BB plus 1bb for each limper. (a raise to 1600 would be much better here).
Also,and this is player dependant, if you feel this loose cannon utg could have limped with any ace,none of the other players are showing any strength,
this could be a very good time to let on your squeezing, i.e. going all in preflop to collect the limpers money. If utg is that bad a player, he just might call you with a weaker ace thinking your doing this with muck to pick up the pot.(this cant be done all the time, but there are centain situations where it can and I think this is one of them).

mrflash

personally i would have made it 2k to go. i tend to be hyper agressive against calling stations. as first to act post flop i would probably have put out a bet three quarters the pot to follow through and show strength. but against a calling station this is difficult.two things i have been told by top notch players are
(1) that a guy like this will pay you off when you have the nuts, so its just a matter of patience.
(2)never try and bluff a bad player.

its hard to sit there and watch, i know how it feels myself, i've even tried playing like him, and it worked for me a couple of times. but i wouldn't recommend it. it appears that this guy is a total donk, so probably waiting for the nuts is best.

TheBlackThing

Ya I was cosidering putting in a big bet on the flop but because his range was so big I couldn't be sure that the flop didn't help him.

Anyway, I went into the tank for 3 or 4 minutes and tried to pick up on any signs from him but I couldn't and folded.

He showed 6d7h and I mucked because I didn't want to give away any reads.

At the time I was going mad inside because he managed to push me off the pot, but afterwards I was thinking that he probably was a 50/50 to take down the pot.

One thing thats still on my mind though is, if i knew what he was holding, should I have shoved for the remainder of my stack? Are we happy to be in a 50/50 because we have committed so much to the pot?

In a tournament is this the type of situation we want to be in, in order to build a decent stack or do we just fold and wait for a better situation?

I personally would have folded but I think this might be a weakness in my game.

mdwexford

you were still a slight fav on that flop.

as i said i would have raised more pre flop and open shoved the flop.

if i knew what he had i insta push

Coillte_Bhoy

TheBlackThing wrote:

Ya I was cosidering putting in a big bet on the flop but because his range was so big I couldn't be sure that the flop didn't help him.

Anyway, I went into the tank for 3 or 4 minutes and tried to pick up on any signs from him but I couldn't and folded.

He showed 6d7h and I mucked because I didn't want to give away any reads.

At the time I was going mad inside because he managed to push me off the pot, but afterwards I was thinking that he probably was a 50/50 to take down the pot.

One thing thats still on my mind though is, if i knew what he was holding, should I have shoved for the remainder of my stack? Are we happy to be in a 50/50 because we have committed so much to the pot?

In a tournament is this the type of situation we want to be in, in order to build a decent stack or do we just fold and wait for a better situation?

I personally would have folded but I think this might be a weakness in my game.

Jaysus, for a man thats getting married in 3 days, you really have your priorities right
Just do what Enda does and raise pre flop to 1,775

LuckyLloyd

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TheBlackThing

Coillte_Bhoy wrote:

Jaysus, for a man thats getting married in 3 days, you really have your priorities right
Just do what Enda does and raise pre flop to 1,775

LOL

I need something to take my mind off the wedding or else I might get second thoughts!!

kryogen

mdwexford wrote:

you were still a slight fav on that flop.

as i said i would have raised more pre flop and open shoved the flop.

if i knew what he had i insta push

and wouldnt poker be such a simple game then

mrflash

the good thing about that hand is that he showed his cards, so now you know that he is not afraid to put him money in on a draw, this will work out for you int the future at some stage hopefully, when you have hit top pair.

mdwexford

kryogen wrote:

and wouldnt poker be such a simple game then

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One thing thats still on my mind though is, if i knew what he was holding, should I have shoved for the remainder of my stack? Are we happy to be in a 50/50 because we have committed so much to the pot?
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i was answering that question by the OP, it wasnt just a random stupid statement.


you donk

kryogen

mdwexford wrote:

i was answering that question by the OP, it wasnt just a random stupid statement.


you donk

o00ooo000 touchy touchy mr moran! lol alas i have been put in my place sir:rolleyes: