Omaha Chop

Killme00

Jackpot Saturday Night

Stacks circa €500
I make it 5 on the blind and its limped in five other positions.

Flop: As9c7s

The small blind bet 25, i raise to 100. The button raises to 350 all in, SB folds, i call.

Total Pot: €755

The button shows 9s7c8c4s and i show AdAcAh2d. I offer chop and we chop. :eek: How bad was this?

eoghan104

awful

5starpool

Why the hell would you want to chop this?

Cuban Son

Don't get me started, people chopping cash pots is

sickpuppy

You area a 60% favourite why the hell would u offer achop?
Its just daft play perhaps the game was to big for you?
If thats the case then you must move down levels.

Trippie

I was delighted with the chop tom and i think you realised later on that it was a mistake especially when we ran it and by the way we both got lucky that i pushed as ed in the small blind was open ended plus he had the nut flush draw so he would of scooped the lot.


[EDIT] i dont think i have played as bad as i did at that table than at any other table in my life

NeVeR

I can see why you would offer it, But I wouldnt have done it,

Pitty you cant use 3 cards from your hand

sickpuppy

Chopping pots imo should not be allowed espescially as raising and reraising has gotten others out of the pot.
To people not to familiar with hi stakes poker and the like it can look like collusion especially if its between two friends or acquaintences.
Play to win not chop the dead money put in from others.

Cuban Son

Trippie wrote:

I was delighted with the chop tom and i think you realised later on that it was a mistake especially when we ran it and by the way we both got lucky that i pushed as ed in the small blind was open ended plus he had the nut flush draw so he would of scooped the lot.

This is what is so wrong with chopping, apart from the fact that you are both too scared to actually put you money in, so you want to take it back.
'Oh wait, I've top set, you've only bottom two pair and a crappy flush draw, lets get all our money in and then divide it evenly, like nothing ever happened, because even though I've put my money in, I really don't want to.'

Take up knitting, way less variance.

So ghae.:mad:

jbravado

Nothing wrong with a chop in my book-players with money in the pot are entitled to object(if they do so then a chop:rolleyes cant be done afaik) if they want so its not like there shafted.As previously stated it slows the game down though which is a pain.

I didnt think there was anyone who played in that game with so little gamble that theyd offer a chop in this spot.;)

Trippie

jbravado wrote:

I didnt think there was anyone who played in that game with so little gamble that theyd offer a chop in this spot.;)

Well since youre departure sam we have all become nut peddlars counting down to the day you return to donate to us again.

jbravado

Heads up for rolls........



ie 12euro?

johnnysmurfman

sickpuppy wrote:

Chopping pots imo should not be allowed espescially as raising and reraising has gotten others out of the pot.

I completely agree with this, it should not be permitted, it encourages collusion in my opinion.

Cuban Son

jbravado wrote:

Nothing wrong with a chop in my book-players with money in the pot are entitled to object(if they do so then a chop:rolleyes cant be done afaik) if they want so its not like there shafted.

IMO, the game of poker is the one being shafted here. Everything is wrong with chopping a pot, unless you both have the same hands.

In poker -its a very basic fundamental- cards speak, not the players.

If you want to chop it, leave the table and split your money, and don't come back to the game.
Otherwise the winner of the pot is passing chips at the table-another basic no-no in poker.

Too many people are seeing this on High stakes Poker and feel its the norm and start talking about limiting variance. Its €1/€1 omaha or €1/€2 hold 'em ffs. It doesn't even come close.

I told you this is

Trippie

jbravado wrote:

Heads up for rolls........



ie 12euro?

your on, its a good deal for you, you're getting about 1.5/1 on your money

cardshark202

This is so awful. How can chopping even come to your mind here? I would be interesting in hearing what went through your mind before you offered to/accepted a chop. Shocking stuff.

pumpkinpints

Cuban Son wrote:

Its €1/€1 omaha or €1/€2 hold 'em ffs. It doesn't even come close.

i dont think the stakes are relevant imo, whats a lot of money to a 5-10 player is not much to a 50-100, and 1-2 is a big step up to many younger players on limited bankrolls as its often the start of their live career.

Trippie

cardshark202 wrote:

This is so awful. How can chopping even come to your mind here? I would be interesting in hearing what went through your mind before you offered to/accepted a chop. Shocking stuff.

To be honest i was so tired that i wasnt thinking straight anyway i figured i was behind so i was happy to take half of the pot and move on

Ace2007

Does the Club not have a list of rules and one of them being chopping not allowed???

cardshark202

Not you, the chop was a great deal for you, I'm referring to killme

eoghan104

pumpkinpints wrote:

i dont think the stakes are relevant imo, whats a lot of money to a 5-10 player is not much to a 50-100, and 1-2 is a big step up to many younger players on limited bankrolls as its often the start of their live career.

Why play at that level then thats the whole point? If your worried about losing a pot that size why are you playing? Why do all the raising and re-raising to get to that point and then chop it?

I think this should not be allowed and is definate collusion between two guys who know eachother. Would the OP have chopped it with a stranger? I think not.

Trippie

Ace2007 wrote:

Does the Club not have a list of rules and one of them being chopping not allowed???

This has been waived in recent weeks as all their attention is focused upon stopping people topping other people up pre-flop.

Trippie

eoghan104 wrote:

Why play at that level then thats the whole point? If your worried about losing a pot that size why are you playing? Why do all the raising and re-raising to get to that point and then chop it?

I think this should not be allowed and is definate collusion between two guys who know eachother. Would the OP have chopped it with a stranger? I think not.

We dont really know each other so that argument doesnt really work, we have played at the same table about three times this year

Cuban Son

Trippie wrote:

This has been waived in recent weeks as all their attention is focused upon stopping people topping other people up pre-flop.

Do you mean like - passing chips at a table?
Like when you decide to chop a pot where the winner passes chips to the loser post flop? I fail to see your point.

pumpkinpints wrote:

1-2 is a big step up to many younger players on limited bankrolls as its often the start of their live career.

€1/€1 and €1/€2 are the smallest games in town.
If you can't handle it don't play.

If its a career you want go to a recruitment agency.

Killme00

Granted, this was awful awful play on my part. All this talk of collusion, please be assured this is not the case but it does highlight a potential risk if split pots are allowed (im pretty sure they wont be allowed going forward). Can i just add that i am not afraid to lose €500 in a pot, i could have reloaded.

My biggest mistake was not taking the time to think, i did not read Trippies hand correctly. I thought he was open ended as well as a flush draw, which i figured would be roughly 50:50 considering my limited redraw (2 sevens 2 nines and three of the turn card)

I have no problem admitting that i played this hand like a cheap hooker type bee-otch but it does show that top set is very vulnerable to a flush draw on a straight type board.

phantom_lord

pumpkinpints wrote:

i dont think the stakes are relevant imo, whats a lot of money to a 5-10 player is not much to a 50-100, and 1-2 is a big step up to many younger players on limited bankrolls as its often the start of their live career.

they should give up poker if a pot like this means so much to them.

Rnger

i think the biggest mistake in this hand was made by the idiotic sb who folded Ks8s6c6d

RoundTower

well it's 50 50, either he hits or he doesn't.

pumpkinpints

Cuban Son wrote:

€1/€1 and €1/€2 are the smallest games in town.
If you can't handle it don't play.

If its a career you want go to a recruitment agency.

So obviously you had a €4000 bankroll before you played 1-2 in town yes?
Helloooo up there...yes you on the horse.

cardshark202

pumpkinpints wrote:

So obviously you had a €4000 bankroll before you played 1-2 in town yes?
Helloooo up there...yes you on the horse.

Shout louder. He can't hear you.

Cuban Son

pumpkinpints wrote:

So obviously you had a €4000 bankroll before you played 1-2 in town yes?
Helloooo up there...yes you on the horse.

I don't think my financial situation has anything to do with the topic being discussed. But seeing as you've asked sooo nicely.......
Yes, I was suitably bankrolled for the game, isn't everyone?

Would you like to see my bank accounts now?
Now if only I could get down off this damn horse of mine....:rolleyes:

58o

Cuban Son wrote:

Yes, I was suitably bankrolled for the game, isn't everyone?
:

ehhh, short answer yes with an if. Long answer no with a but.