Transfer woes

paulski999

Hi

Any come across this, 3 clubs in 1 parish, (A, B, C) underage players all play with underage club (D) which is a combined from A, B & C.

Club A decides to break away and form its own underage club (better to have its own young players coming through), underage player with club D is still tied and refused a transfer to club A, bad feelings between all 3 clubs and goes to County Board level, they look at rule book and say sorry player is tied until minor level, i.e. 3 years of not playing football, as left on sideline, due to bad feeling between clubs.

Now looking at rule book - "Any player seeking a transfer back to his home parish Club shall be automatically granted such transfer."

Would this rule apply??

Thanks

Nalced_irl

This has come up before. As far as i know, unless you have moved house, you are not entitled to a transfer. I think it is because in this situation where there is club A B and C in one parish and club C becomes quite successful, they can then poach players from A and B so unless you have moved to a new parish, you cannot change clubs without your clubs permission. Obviously some players will get screwed by this but i can see their reasons for it also.

thirdmantackle

depends if an agreement is made as to which areas of the parish each club will recruit from?

if not, then this could be correct.

if the other club has broken away for whatever reason, then its up to them to start recruiting kids for teams from now on. starting at Under 8.

they were the ones who broke away. would be different if all three clubs split.

is it a rural or urban club?

blackbelt

Well my situation was such that I was playing for the only non-parish club in Dublin but seeked a transfer back to the club I played for in my earlier days.I seeked this during the non-transfer window period by appealing to the county board.It had been some time since I had played and I had not payed my subs to the club I was leaving so I was accomodated.

paulski999

Hi All,

Its a rural club, the demarcation within the larger parish is the thing, doesn't seem to matter, e.g. you can have lads who live in the town playing with the underage club (club D) and others who now play with club A. Its only when you play a champonship game at U12 level are you then tied to the respective club and should you try for a transfer then you're snookered.

In my original post what I'm trying to get at is the definition of "parish" in the GAA rulebook it states - "A County Bye-Law may confine membership of a Club to a Catchment Area, which may be a Parish. A Parish for the purpose of this Rule shall, subject to County boundaries, be the district under the jurisdiction of a Parish Priest or Administrator.
A Catchment Area shall be fundamentally based on permanent residence of players, subject to a player being entitled to play with his Home Club. Permanent Residence shall be defined in County Bye-Law."

Therefore in a large parish with many churches, its the catchement area of the parish priest that the delimiting factor? Which doesn't seem to hold true in this instance.

Thanks

thirdmantackle

bring it to county board level

they'll solve it with a bye law pretty quick

culabula88

What should of happened here is that the players who are playing with the amalagameted team should have been registered with their individual senior clubs ie as members of club A ,B and C individually ? If they have then they 'belong ' with this club - so if this senior club eg club A decides in the morning enter a minor team then they can do so. I would be suprised if the officials in each individual club haven't registered the players before this with themselves.

Players cant be registered with two different clubs . The are registered with one club ,even though they might player minor under another team.

I dont think the players who are playing with the minor team 'D' could be registered with D ? can you check this out?
Who funds this minor team 'D' - presumably clubs from A , B and C.

The question you must find out is "Is the underage team the players play ( club D / team D ) an actual club or just a team ?"

If its a club, then all the players in the parish belong to this club , so i would think that they are tied to this club for the foreseeable future, but they could look for a transfer to the club A. The county board could refuse them due to the objections of the club B and C , but could grant it just the same on an individual basis depending on where the player looking for the transfer is living.- but how can you define who should be playing with who unless a boundary or catchment system exists.

If it is just a team then they are registered individual with their repective senior clubs and A , B and C can break away at any time with team D a cooperative measure between A,B and C.

The only way to operate minor clubs in the same parish is to have some sort of boundary or rule with who you play for because otherwise all the good players will go off playing with the best club/ most successfull club.

The rules about home parish etc referred to above were only in the cases where somebody say moved to dublin played with a club there and then this rule would allow them to transfer back to their home club say in roscommon to play football , even though they might still live in dublin. As far as i can see this was intended to help the rural clubs who might have lost players.

You would also need to bear in mind any bye laws which might be in force in the county.

Just out of a matter of interest , which county is this in ( you can just say the province if you want ) and is it football or hurling or both. or you could PM me if you want

paulski999

Hi culabula88,

What seems to happen is that the underage players are registered with club D, not with their respective "senior" clubs, club D is an amalgamation of underage players from club A, B and C, up to minor level, then each player goes back to their respective clubs thereafter. So the case was made because of the influx of people into the area, that club A decides to start their own underage club, which is part of the "senior" club, that way you build continuity, the lads your playing with since U12 don't suddenly become the opposition, makes sense to me. Anyway the other clubs B, C have taken exception to this, and as usual, holy war ensues, and the causalities are young lads, (who for example dad plays and coaches with club A) being refused a transfer from club D, and ends up not getting a game with club D because of the break-up, (well if you're going to break away then we'll tie the lad until after minor!)

The born-in-Dublin rule is slightly different - if you're born in Dublin and either of your parents is from the country you can transfer to their respective home counties.

The local bye-laws state - "A player who has played for his parish club and wishes to play for a club in a neighbouring adjoining parish must: -

1. Present a signed transfer. (from both Runai)
2. Present an exemption signed by all the secretaries of all adult and underage clubs in his parish."

But then the following rule appears...

"Any player seeking a transfer back to his home parish club shall be automatically granted such a transfer."

So I would argue that club A's is his "home parish" as that is where he will be playing after minor level. They would argue that club D is his "home parish" club and is tied until after minor level, in once instance having to wait another two years at least. I'd also argue that the above rule applies to adjoining parishes not to clubs within parishes? What do you think, but I know what the county board would say...

Thanks