Ruling question:

Nalced_irl

Ok, referee tells goalkeeper to hurry up with a kickout. Keeper does but ref is a moron and after giving him about 1.5 seconds to take a few steps back and take it blows the whistle. What is the decision here. Referee decides keeper was timewasting, what is the correct decision to make.

This stems from the Ballyboden v Skerries Junior A Champo QF last night. I promise you, no matter how biased you are for either side, it was the worst refereeing display i have ever witnessed. Boden were 5 points up with 5 mins to go. Skerries got a goal to make it 2. What followed was laughable. Referee penalising a Boden player for timewasting on a free where he didnt even have the ball. It was in the hands of a Skerries player. Giving a free in for a kickout not going 14 yards, im 99% sure it did, the keeper timewasting above (not gonna say what he did yet) and all this in the 7 mins and 43 seconds of injury time he played where there was only 1 brief injury. I know refs play for a draw quite often but this is crazy!!! He should be shot for it. Anyway, above question, what woulod be the ruling for it?

An Citeog

Nalced_irl wrote:

Ok, referee tells goalkeeper to hurry up with a kickout. Keeper does but ref is a moron and after giving him about 1.5 seconds to take a few steps back and take it blows the whistle. What is the decision here. Referee decides keeper was timewasting, what is the correct decision to make.

This stems from the Ballyboden v Skerries Junior A Champo QF last night. I promise you, no matter how biased you are for either side, it was the worst refereeing display i have ever witnessed. Boden were 5 points up with 5 mins to go. Skerries got a goal to make it 2. What followed was laughable. Referee penalising a Boden player for timewasting on a free where he didnt even have the ball. It was in the hands of a Skerries player. Giving a free in for a kickout not going 14 yards, im 99% sure it did, the keeper timewasting above (not gonna say what he did yet) and all this in the 7 mins and 43 seconds of injury time he played where there was only 1 brief injury. I know refs play for a draw quite often but this is crazy!!! He should be shot for it. Anyway, above question, what woulod be the ruling for it?

He should have thrown it up on the 20 metre line. Most refs at junior level are crap tbh.

jmayo

Slightly off topic but relating to refs and weird decisions.
Ok another example of inconsistency in GAA ref decisions, was the Cork goalkeeper, Donal Óg Cusack in the match against Tipp.
He was penalised for pucking the ball out from outside the small square.
His next puckouts were just the same so why wasn't he penalised again?
Yet another in a long catelogue of strange ref decisions.

On above check out if the ref has just bought house in Skerries ;-)

premierstone

In fairness to the umpire at the Cork - Tipp match he was right and he actually signalled a second time but the ref ignored him so i think he just gave up after that.

As a Tipp man it was great that we actually scored a '65' from the infringement but if i was a Cork man i would be a little peeved Donal og and many of his counterparts have been breaking this rule for years so why pick that particular puck out to penalise him - bit of consistency would be very welcome.

Nalced_irl

Thats what i thought, but with him wanting a replay he gave a free in. I swear to god, i have never seen such a joke of a display from a ref.

blackbelt

Did Boden win Nalced?Strangest decision I ever saw in a game was when I played for Scoil Ui Chonaill and we were playing Geraldine Morans.One of our defenders was nowhere near their forward (who slipped) and was awarded a penalty which he converted.

We were always chasing the game after that incident but in injury time I caught the ball just outside their square but slipped on the muddy ground accompanied by a tackle.I rolled on my side and kicked the loose ball on the ground into the goal and we should have won by 2 points but no the referee gives a free out due to me being inside the square.We were left scratching our heads at what happened.Goalie takes a kickout and it was all over.

It was daylight robbery.

Zzippy

Throw in if he was wasting time, on 20 metre line.

TBH, the standard of refereeing in Dublin was cr@p when I played there, I was a ref myself and couldn't believe the lack of knowledge of the rules that some refs displayed. Things like
Was playing an u-21 hurling ch match against Trinity Gaels once, pretty hot and heavy stuff, lot of off the ball pulling*, etc. I was centre back and myself and the CF went for a ball, I got the ball and he pulled across the back of my leg - couldn't walk afterwards and was helped off. He was sent off, their supporters** went crazy, looked like it was going to get ugly. So the umpire (refs father :rolleyes: ) calls him over, tells him "you'd better send off the number 6 too or there'll be a riot). So I'm sent off as I'm lying on the ground. :rolleyes:


* Yes I know, Trinity Gaels are gentle souls and would never engage in thuggery of that kind


** I use that term in the loosest possible sense. I could use other words but that wouldn't be polite

gucci

ya hop ball on the 20 meter line.

to be honest junior football is all about the love of the game and if you get fair play at the same time from a ref your doing well. most (i say "most") of the refs at this level around the country are disgracefully unfit and usually miles off the pace of the game.
two seasons back i got thrown to the ground and kicked in the face while going for the ball, me and my marker were the only two challenging for the ball (maybe i was seen as he played the man!!) and despite having a nose and eyebrow gushing blood i was told to "F*** OFF!!" by the ref when i had a go at him for not taking any action, and accused me of feigning injury. Then the next time the ball came in needless to say i tried to even things up slightly and he booked the two of us!!!!
so basically since that incident i never bothered my sack complaining to any junior ref or expecting any level of professionalism or consistency from them at junior level.

Nalced_irl

The match ended in a draw bb so the ref got what he wanted. The main thing was the injury time and anytime the ball was cleared outside their 20, he blew it up for something that only he could see to throw the ball in or give a free in. As soon as they equalised after nearly 8 mins injury time he blew it up immediately.

blackbelt

Thats the curse of playing North County Dublin teams Nalced.They always seem to have the referee in their back pocket.I'm starting to think that the north county players help the refs with their allotments in Rush and Skerries and the out-skirts of Lusk thats why they get all the kind decisions.:rolleyes:

No offence to anybody who play for St Maurs but we've played them three times this year.Once in the League,once in the cup and once in the Championship.We lost the first two and beat them in the Championship.Strangely enough,the ref in the lost games was from Skerries,was overweight and magically gave nearly all 50-50 decisions to them and didn't bother to even show a yellow card to a player who pushed one of our players on the ground right in front of him.

johnnog

blackbelt wrote:

Thats the curse of playing North County Dublin teams Nalced.They always seem to have the referee in their back pocket.I'm starting to think that the north county players help the refs with their allotments in Rush and Skerries and the out-skirts of Lusk thats why they get all the kind decisions.:rolleyes:

Unfortunately city teams tend to come out to Fingal with these sort of prejudices. Also a lot of times I find that city teams seem to be under the self-fulfilling impression that they are coming out to play a particularly rough brand of football. In other words they seem to come out with a chip on their shoulder that they are coming out for a "row" and play accordingly.


A lot of the clubs Fingal would only have Junior first teams. Players tend to get a lot more leeway in those matches. Referees tend to referee reasonably close to their homes, so if it was a Skerries ref, he's probably used to letting small stuff go in junior matches.

What you were saying about your player getting pushed to the ground and the "pusher" not getting booked wouldn't be because he was on a city team. It'd be the same if two Fingal teams were playing each other. I wouldn't necessarily expect someone to get booked if they just pushed me to the ground. Maybe if it was a second or third time or after something else, but not just for one push. I'd expect a free or maybe the ball to be moved up if it was after the whistle had blown.

The only difference is that the local team would be used to this style of reffing and probably seem to take better advantage of it. But they wouldn't be doing to systematically. It'd be just what came "naturally" to them because they would be used to it. It could seem to an outsider that the ref and local team were in cahoots.

Fingal teams think the opposite when they travel to the city to play and are blown up for things that they usually get away with at home. They think the city refs are biased against them. It's more a bias against a style of play/attitude rather than where someone is from.

thirdmantackle

he should have thrown it up on 21 metre line

if he had already warned the keeper then it would be fine, but on first offence he should just have a chat with keeper

that being said, some keepers take all day to get the ball, get the tee, place the ball and do their run up.

MGrah

blackbelt wrote:

Thats the curse of playing North County Dublin teams Nalced.They always seem to have the referee in their back pocket.I'm starting to think that the north county players help the refs with their allotments in Rush and Skerries and the out-skirts of Lusk thats why they get all the kind decisions.:rolleyes:

Hardly confined to the North county! When was the last time you played away in Saggart or Bohernabreena? Actually this is true of almost all clubs in Dublin at junior level, the same referees are regularly assigned to matches at particular grounds. I hate to arrive out to a ground and hear opposition players on first name terms with a referee, you know what you're going to get.
In fairness to these guys though, as someone above said, at that level it is for the love of the game (and for no one more so than the ref) I mean who'd want to get up on a cold, wet November morning to referee a div 13 game? Lunatics the lot of them.

blackbelt

Have never played out in Bohernabreena myself but have been out there recently in the last 2-3 months and its a venue my old club dread to travel to as they don't have much hope of coming away with the points.

I'd be more familiar with North county Dublin as my club is in the Northside League with most of the county clubs.