Should Tyrone offer Derry a replay?

Zzippy

OK, so we all know that Tyrone won the Ulster minor final by a point, and that one of their points wwas actually a wide and should not have been given. They're the facts.

Now, do people believe that Tyrone should "do the decent thing" and offer Derry a replay of the match? Both teams qualify for the 1/4 finals anyway, but the Derry players have been denied possibly their only ever chance of an Ulster medal - is this right?
Personally, I think they should offer a replay, but I'm interested to know what the general consensus is...

(and no, I have no affiliation to either county. Neither is this anything to do with Graham Geraghty, Ciaran Whelan, Eamonn O'Hara, etc etc, so keep those to every other thread please! Along with "Yore Ma")

mickrourke

No

I think you're right, the video evidence pretty much showed a wide and the decent sporting thing to do would be to offer a replay. The other alternative is for the GAA to force a replay, not sure they can do that and could you imagine the flood of requests for replays, penaltys that should have been given, frees not given, etc, from other teams... It's a mine-field. I believe Laois did offer a replay once before and they won the replay too.

Now that brings in the whole issue of the TV umpire....
But thats a whole new thread

Nalced_irl

Would they be right to offer it? Yes. Should they? No.Its just a break of luck and for them it went their way on the day. If someone loses a game to a penalty that shouldnt have been, should they? Also, im sure in their minds they know another team wouldnt do it for them so why should they. Had the point not been given it was a kick out from a different place and so the game would have been completely different from there on so noone knows what may have happened.

Lemlin

Its part and parcel of the game. Cavan beat Derry in Clones in '97 and they reckon a point looked very wide that day. Cavan were Ulster champs though so I wasn't complaining.

If things like this were to mean replays then what would there be to stop teams looking for replays if players were wrongfully sent off or penalties given incorrectly? It'd open a whole new can of worms.

cournioni

Lemlin wrote:

Its part and parcel of the game. Cavan beat Derry in Clones in '97 and they reckon a point looked very wide that day. Cavan were Ulster champs though so I wasn't complaining.

If things like this were to mean replays then what would there be to stop teams looking for replays if players were wrongfully sent off or penalties given incorrectly? It'd open a whole new can of worms.

Speaking of which, one of the Lavey umpires on Saturday was trying to say that a shot that went at least a foot wide, was over our crossbar for a point. He said it was part and parcel of the game too...

nice1franko

bad shouts are part of the game. until we've tv umpire's you have to just go with the flow. on average, it all pans out.

aidz

it was an error made by the umpire, referee and linesman in not seeing the score. but mistakes are made throughout the game both by players and officals. perhaps a 13m free/penalty should have been awarded at tsome stage of the game too..where does the retrospective view stop...
i reckon they should not be awarded a replay. simarily i though clare were hard done by 10 years ago in having to award offaly a replay (which they went on to lose). just accept that some mistakes are part of the game, in the same way that you full forward can miss a sitter, you goalie drops a high ball etc..

machiavellianme

No

Yes, but theres a difference between the goalie dropping a ball, someone missing a sitter etc and being robbed by not giving a valid point or awarding one when none was scored. The latter have nothing to do with the actual players. Its someone who usually has absolutely no training's judgement of what happened. At least the referee and linesmen have some training but I accept that the referee cant catch everything and theres very little that can be done about it afterwards. If it was a free that should/shouldnt have been given, well theres little can be done about it afterwards, but when its simply a matter of taking away one point and seeing the results is a draw it is a different matter. When a game is so tight and something like this happens, especially when video evidence is available, the team in question should show some sportsmanship and offer a replay. Laois did with Carlow a few years back, proved they deserved to win and were awarded a "piece of Bog oak" for their troubles. Maybe its time we invest in the "hawk eye" goalmouth technology that the soccer teams are considering.

nice1franko

or "laser eye" surgery technology for the linesmen.

or just plain old fukcin glasses.

GalwayDub2

There will always be a case of an umpire giving a point when he shouldnt and vice versa. I remember in the Connaught semi-final Galway got a point against Leitrim which was an obvious point and the umpire gave it as a wide. On the Sunday Game that night, they said it was a definate point and the umpire should have given it. If it came down to one point in that game, I doubt Leitrim would have offered a replay to Galway!