Hypothetical Moral Dilemma! [Not for the easily offended]

Jrembin

Okay here goes

You're standing in a field with a little girl and and old man

The old man raped the girl

who btw is your sister, and is holding a gun

So she's going to shoot the pervert

And despite being seven has a diabolical foolproof plan to avoid arrest

BTW, before shooting him she's going to subject him to torture. He's tied up and she's going to cut off his balls, penis, ears etc. etc. before killing him.

Do you try and talk her out of her plan?

I would talk her out of it but seemingly other people feel differently so what do you think?

Huggles

Jrembin wrote:

Okay here goes

You're standing in a field with a little girl and and old man

The old man raped the girl

who btw is your sister, and is holding a gun

So she's going to shoot the pervert

And despite being seven has a diabolical foolproof plan to avoid arrest

BTW, before shooting him she's going to subject him to torture. He's tied up and she's going to cut off his balls, penis, ears etc. etc. before killing him.

Do you try and talk her out of her plan?

I would talk her out of it but seemingly other people feel differently so what do you think?

You don't 'talk' a 7 year old out of anytthing FFS, shes 7.

You take the gun off the child and hold him till you call the police.

biko

Did this really happen?

Smellyirishman

Ask her what the plan for escape is.
Judge it's merit.
Take the gun from her hand.
Shoot the filthy rapist in the nuts.
Beat/Torture him (to death).
Flee.

Hypothetically of course.

Jrembin

TheGooner wrote:

You don't 'talk' a 7 year old out of anytthing FFS, shes 7.

You take the gun off the child and hold him till you call the police.

She's a smart seven year old though. And if you come any closer to her you'll fall into the massive hole!

jor el

That's not hypothetical, that's sick. Even thinking about it.

Huggles

jor el wrote:

That's not hypothetical, that's sick. Even thinking about it.

I have to concur.

TEH REAL CDP

not cool

Niamho!

Let her do it. Dirty oul' Fookin Scumbag....

J.S. Pill

Better Idea

Let him live - once he gets out of Prison a tabloid newspaper will 'name and shame him' and write informative articles along the lines of 'Pervo does his shopping in Tesco next to school' - eventually a viscious mob of rabid Sun readers will tear him to pieces.

I'm sure you'd make an excellent ringleader for the said mob OP

Nevyn

She's 7 unless the gun is a one shot Derringer she is going to do her self serious harm and most likely miss.

At 7 many things will fade from her memory but killing a person will not.

Best bet is to protect her the best you can.
You explain to her she has been very brave and that you are there to take care of her.

You take the forensic precautions need and make her close her eyes while you
slit him from hip to hip spilling out his instestines and then putting his eyes out.

Then you take her to hosptial to be treated and cared for.

PeakOutput

i take the gun off her and tell her to turn around..............i then shoot the **** in the knee caps as he "attempted to go for my sister again" as a result of this he falls down that big hole you were talking about at which point muself and my sister walk(slowly) to the nearest village(presumably we are in the country) and go to the gardai and tell them the stroy but unfortunately in the comotion we cant remember what field it was in or even the rough area.............

said rapist has alot of pain(if not dead) before he is found and sent to prison....................he will get sent to prison as before i left i video taped him confessing

Mrs. MacGyver

I would gently coax the gun from the girl after gaining her trust. Then trip the man and hold him until the police arrive. I don't agree with murder or violence.

Tha Gopher

This is worse than Mr Garrisons dad canvassing opinions on a half simiiar issue down the pub on South Park

Giblet

Shoot yourself.

Binomate

Get the gun off the girl and shoot them both.

Jrembin

Thaedydal wrote:

She's 7 unless the gun is a one shot Derringer she is going to do her self serious harm and most likely miss.

At 7 many things will fade from her memory but killing a person will not.

Best bet is to protect her the best you can.
You explain to her she has been very brave and that you are there to take care of her.

You take the forensic precautions need and make her close her eyes while you
slit him from hip to hip spilling out his instestines and then putting his eyes out.

Then you take her to hosptial to be treated and cared for.

You're not nice.

I would show her how to release the safety and tell her to shoot his cock off first then torture him and then after hours of agony shoot him in the legs then the arms

Alanthroneus

this is a bit ****ed up.............

Capt'n Midnight

Jrembin wrote:

And despite being seven has a diabolical foolproof plan to avoid arrest

http://www.omc.gov.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/YouthJustice/overview2.htm&mn=

On 16 October 2006, under the Children Act 2001, the age of criminal responsibility was effectively raised from 7 to 12 years. Under the new provisions, no child under the age of 12 years can be charged with an offence. An exception is made for 10 and 11 year-olds charged with very serious offences, such as unlawful killing, a rape offence or aggravated sexual assault. In addition, the Director of Public Prosecutions must give consent for any child under the age of 14 years to be charged.

monkeyfudge

Despite the delusions most people seem to hold, murder is worse than rape.

Jesus Wept

Jrembin wrote:

She's a smart seven year old though. And if you come any closer to her you'll fall into the massive hole!

She is a fcukin pscyopath of a seven year old.

You would be lucky if she didn't shoot you or cut your balls off too.

Jesus Wept

monkeyfudge wrote:

Despite the delusions most people seem to hold, murder is worse than rape.

Well that's that cleared up then.

Good jaysais.

Calibos

Is this a trick question about sharia Law OP??

Heard a similar real life moral dilema a while back.

There was a big thread a few months ago over at OCUK. IIRC someone posted a BBCNews link of a story about the implementation of sharia law in Somalia since the islamic militia instituted sharia courts in parts of Mogadishu.
Some guy had murdered this 14 year old boys family, raped the mother and sisters etc The Sharia Court found him guilty and he was sentanced to death. The court asked the boy if he wanted to carry out the excecution and he agreed. Apparently while the rapist/murderer was restrained, the boy disemboweled him with a machete.

Now by all accounts the guy deserved it. But putting aside whether the death penalty is moral, how moral is it to f@ck up a kids head by letting him get revenge like that. I'd want to get revenge like that if it was me I would imagine but I think the state would be right to stop me.

Its kind of funny the way people freak at the thoughts of Sharia law being implemented in their own country and yet present them with the story of a heinous crime and you here them shouting, "Stoning would be too good for that evil b@stard"

thefinalstage

Calibos wrote:

Is this a trick question about sharia Law OP??

Heard a similar real life moral dilema a while back.

There was a big thread a few months ago over at OCUK. IIRC someone posted a BBCNews link of a story about the implementation of sharia law in Somalia since the islamic militia instituted sharia courts in parts of Mogadishu.
Some guy had murdered this 14 year old boys family, raped the mother and sisters etc The Sharia Court found him guilty and he was sentanced to death. The court asked the boy if he wanted to carry out the excecution and he agreed. Apparently while the rapist/murderer was restrained, the boy disemboweled him with a machete.

Now by all accounts the guy deserved it. But putting aside whether the death penalty is moral, how moral is it to f@ck up a kids head by letting him get revenge like that. I'd want to get revenge like that if it was me I would imagine but I think the state would be right to stop me.

Its kind of funny the way people freak at the thoughts of Sharia law being implemented in their own country and yet present them with the story of a heinous crime and you here them shouting, "Stoning would be too good for that evil b@stard"

Sharia law would prevent a lot of crime...by killing th criminals. :P

I would remove the gun from the child's hand. Then gag the rapist and tie him to a tree. I would bring the girl to hospital and explain everything that happened except I would forget his location...for maybe a week. After which I would return. If the cops didn't find him yet a little battery acid and some old tin cans can work wonders.

Reku

Take the gun and shoot him in the lower leg (not the foot/knee, to difficult for surgeons to repair, upper leg = too high a risk of hitting the artery where it can't be easily dealt with) so he can't readily escape, then call the police.

Tar.Aldarion

Why is she seven?

Mr.Plough

id give him a flying headbutt off the top rope.

justsomebloke

how the hell did the 7 year old over power the old man and tie him up.

Also from the sound of it, your sister needs a lot of help that seems to have stemed from more then just the rape

astrofool

Most people are more concerned with the finality of the death sentence in that if an innocent person is mistakenly convicted, there's no way to go back. In the hypothetical situation here, you are told he is definitely guilty, and then what to do, and in that case, a lot of people have no problem in putting him to death (certainly the majority on this thread). However in most cases, guilt is never that easy to prove, and there is plenty of cases of people being punished that were then shown to be innocent.

With something like Sharia law, you can't make someone undead and/or give them their hand back. Thats without the fact, that generally muslim countries would not be able to call upon advanced forensic techniques to solve a crime, and thus increase the likelihood of an erroneous conviction.

gingerGiant

If i knew he was defo guilty I would take the gun from the girl tie the cnut to a tree and bring the girl to get medical attention. Later i'd come back and torture the evil *****r to death and leave him there for wild foxes etc. to enjoy a feast. This would still be too good for him.

L31mr0d

is nobody a rehabilitation advocate here? Like was said murder IS worse than rape. I'm amazed the amount of you who are saying murdering him wouldn't be bad enough, sure a load of yous are throwing in torture to the mix.

Do yous really think killing the guy will give any kind of piece to the child. Sure he should be punished, but he should also be rehabilitated. I don't believe there is ever a situation where a human should be murdered to statisy some emotionally driven blood lust.

Cake Fiend

Isn't it obvious?

You rape the old man.

Giblet

One big rape party to be honest.

PeakOutput

L31mr0d wrote:

is nobody a rehabilitation advocate here? Like was said murder IS worse than rape. I'm amazed the amount of you who are saying murdering him wouldn't be bad enough, sure a load of yous are throwing in torture to the mix.

Do yous really think killing the guy will give any kind of piece to the child. Sure he should be punished, but he should also be rehabilitated. I don't believe there is ever a situation where a human should be murdered to statisy some emotionally driven blood lust.

he should only be rehabilitated when/if it becomes apparent the girl can/is rehabilitated and not until all funds/efforts are made for her first.......................keep him in the hole until then

Mrs. MacGyver

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

Why is she seven?

I think 7 is the age at which we attain moral reasoning and assume responsibility for our actions.

Mrs. MacGyver

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

Why is she seven?

I think 7 is the age at which we attain moral reasoning and assume responsibility for our actions.

Raiser

It was Professor Plum in the Conservatory with the Candlestick.

thefinalstage

L31mr0d wrote:

is nobody a rehabilitation advocate here? Like was said murder IS worse than rape. I'm amazed the amount of you who are saying murdering him wouldn't be bad enough, sure a load of yous are throwing in torture to the mix.

Do yous really think killing the guy will give any kind of piece to the child. Sure he should be punished, but he should also be rehabilitated. I don't believe there is ever a situation where a human should be murdered to statisy some emotionally driven blood lust.

Pfft! Its simple as being able to say to your little sister that he definitely isn't coming back.

If I could do that than lock me up and throw away the key.

Peared

monkeyfudge wrote:

Despite the delusions most people seem to hold, murder is worse than rape.

Very interested to know more about this opinion. In terms of people around the victim suffering (family etc) murder probably is worse. In terms of the crime itself, why not ask a victim of each? Victim of rape will talk of pain, shame, possible suicidal thoughts, will maybe never get over it, maybe shy away from sex and relationships forever. Maybe have permanent emotional and physical damage. A victim of murder will talk of.... Well.. they cant feel or say a thing anymore. So no suffering. And thats worse how?

Terry

Peared wrote:

Very interested to know more about this opinion. In terms of people around the victim suffering (family etc) murder probably is worse. In terms of the crime itself, why not ask a victim of each? Victim of rape will talk of pain, shame, possible suicidal thoughts, will maybe never get over it, maybe shy away from sex and relationships forever. Maybe have permanent emotional and physical damage. A victim of murder will talk of.... Well.. they cant feel or say a thing anymore. So no suffering. And thats worse how?

My father was killed by a hit and run driver.
The driver was never caught.
Thoughts of killing him did cross my mind, but I would rather see him face justice now.
Time heals all wounds.

ali.c

The child would not only have to live with being raped (something she will have to anyway) and then with having taken a life.

I dont see how the second thing takes away anything from her suffering in fact it adds to it.

Peared

Terry wrote:

My father was killed by a hit and run driver.
The driver was never caught.
Thoughts of killing him did cross my mind, but I would rather see him face justice now.
Time heals all wounds.

Terry thats horrific obviously. And you and your family have my every sympathy. I did say that in terms of the people around the victim, murder is worse. But for the person themselves.. in death you are either at peace or just nothing, depending on your beliefs. But to live after a horrific attack, well, it doesnt end.

I can't agree with you that time heals all wounds. Some maybe, but not all. And to push the cliches on a bit, even when they are healed they can leave pretty nasty scars.

Terry

Peared wrote:

Terry thats horrific obviously. And you and your family have my every sympathy. I did say that in terms of the people around the victim, murder is worse. But for the person themselves.. in death you are either at peace or just nothing, depending on your beliefs. But to live after a horrific attack, well, it doesnt end.

I can't agree with you that time heals all wounds. Some maybe, but not all. And to push the cliches on a bit, even when they are healed they can leave pretty nasty scars.

See, here's the thing.
The driver who hit my father must have family too.
Would I like to see them go through what I went through?
My answer is no.