tourney hand i played last night?

Gholimoli · 23-07-2007 3:51pm #1

i played this hand yesterday and at the time i thought i made huge balls of it.
i was chips lead at the time and playing this hand badley effected me so much that i tilted my huge chips lead away to just below avarage (i really didnt recover fully i dont think which is bad but not the point of this post).

i am chip lead i think at this time with 90K in chips.
villain has 65K and i think the avarage is something like 40K.
villain is really awkward and strange.
he is not tight,not loos,he is passive though .
he has been limp calling all night from every position.
he has maybe raised 3 times all night.
his limp calling hands has been anything from AA,AK,to 56,66,T8s .
i has gone all in a few times and in all of them he has had the nuts or very close to it.
i have seen him caling PSB bets on the flop with one over or two over cards.
i have seen him chase draws as well but play them passivley.
he has seen maybe above 70+% of the flops (limp calling 99% of them).

this is pretty much what i have on him.
now to the hand.

i limp after a limper with QJ .
blinds are 300/600 i think.
he makes it 2400 from SB and the first limper folds and i call.

flop(5800)
9s Ts 2d

he bets 2400 .
i make it 8.5K.
he looks like he is going to fold but makes the call.
when i say he looked like folding i could actually tell,he wasnt acting,it looked like he made a sudden decesion to call instead of folding.

turn(22K)
Jh
he checks and i bet 15K.
he inst moved all in for another 40K or so i think.
i fold my hand and hate my turn play,and kept saying to my self that i should have checked behind on the turn.

after wards i was thinking well maybe a bet had some merits there against a somewhat different opponent.
so do you think in a similar situation betting the turn here can be right at all?
why?
was is right here?
why?

Ace2007 · 23-07-2007 3:59pm

Gholimoli wrote:

he is not tight,not loos,he is passive though .
he has been limp calling all night from every position.
he has maybe raised 3 times all night.
his limp calling hands has been anything from AA,AK,to 56,66,T8s .
i has gone all in a few times and in all of them he has had the nuts or very close to it.
i have seen him caling PSB bets on the flop with one over or two over cards.
i have seen him chase draws as well but play them passivley.
he has seen maybe above 70+% of the flops (limp calling 99% of them).

just for the record in case phamton lord sees this, it wasn't me. !!! lol

Hectorjelly · 23-07-2007 4:02pm

Fold preflop, just call the flop, definitely check behind on turn. The other two streets are bad, but bet folding the turn is absolutely terrible

HeeHawsCantona · 23-07-2007 4:03pm

Okay - I dont really like criticising the play of players who I think are quite good especially as I dont believe that there is only one correct way to play a hand.
Was your QJs?
If so your limp behind a limper was okay - if not I fold then and there. Remember you are the big stack and personnally I wont play passive preflop with such a moderate starting hand and a big stack. If you are suited then I guess the call of the 2400 preflop is ok also.
After the flop
I cant see the benefit of raising here unless I have an openender and a flush draw and am willing to stick them all in. He can have a set or an overpair here easily and with the way you have descibed him he can overplay them for sure. For 2400 you have 8 cards to the nuts and I call here and if I miss fold to a big bet on the flop.

BigCityBanker · 23-07-2007 4:06pm

^^ what hj said.

although given stack sizes and the fact that you have position on him I do not fold preflop for the additional 1800.

edit.... bah, i need to read slower and take stock of what ppl say more carefully - as played I fold the turn as I expect you are drawing to a K for a split.

HeeHawsCantona · 23-07-2007 4:10pm

In addition the bet on the turn was also a mistake but if it was 40ish more to call him you really have to fold as I guess he can have KQ and to any other hand bar a bluff you're not really even getting odds to call.

cardshark202 · 23-07-2007 4:18pm

Preflop is awful, flop raise is v bad vs this opp given your read. once he calls flop im always checking behind here. if i bet here im calling all in

bops · 23-07-2007 4:37pm

Dont limp
On the flop dont raise
Not checking behind on the turn is bad
King for a split, maybe he has AA though
Everyone will agree that you played this entire hand terrible
You are still the best player i know though!!

...my cryptic puzzle for the day

jbravado · 23-07-2007 5:16pm

He has raised three times-is this preflop?Have you seen his hands when he has done so?

kakak1 · 23-07-2007 5:17pm

bops wrote:

Dont limp
On the flop dont raise
Not checking behind on the turn is bad
King for a split, maybe he has AA though
Everyone will agree that you played this entire hand terrible
You are still the best player i know though!!

...my cryptic puzzle for the day

very good Bops, takes one to know one

Gholimoli · 23-07-2007 5:31pm

i dont think my call preflop is that bad.
i know villain has not really raised preflop at all but we are really deep and i do have position on him so for the extra 1800 i dont think the call is that bad.

my raise on the flop i dont think is that bad either.
the raise came from the size of his bet.
he didnt really have any specific pattern but him betting so little there(there was also 100 anti in the pot which i forgot to say in the original post) i felt he didnt have much.

what may be change some minds in terms of raising the flop is that even though he was a station preflop(limp calling anything) he was not like that post flop.
more often than not he would fold to a big bet post flop if he didnt have anything.
also he has not seen me bluffing recently and even though i have got involved with him a few times every time the hand went pass the turn i won the hand .
i had cebt a few times against him on the flop which got called and check folded the turn .

if he raises my flop bet im happy to fold my draw .
again based on everything goin on i dont think the flop raise was that bad.

i do agree however that the turn play was just sick bad which really butcherd the hand and my tourney.

Lazare · 23-07-2007 7:20pm

Gholimoli wrote:

what may be change some minds in terms of raising the flop is that even though he was a station preflop(limp calling anything) he was not like that post flop.
more often than not he would fold to a big bet post flop if he didnt have anything.

This was the guy with the beard in seat 8 yeah? He was very unusual, the above is true, he was a dream to have position on.

Gholimoli · 23-07-2007 7:36pm

Lazare wrote:

This was the guy with the beard in seat 8 yeah? He was very unusual, the above is true, he was a dream to have position on.

yeah that's the mothe focker.
i can safely say that he is amongst the most unusal players i have played against if not the most unusual.
with almost everyone you can find some sort of pattern if you play with them long enough ,with this guy it was like he would change moods and sort of decide on the spot what to do.
he deffo was not working on any sort of knowledge not even wrong knowledge.
he really did my head in.

tourney hand i played last night?

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