Does anyone know where we go when we die?

elephantjuice

Obvisouly not. But, I'm just asking to see what people think. Maybe there are people who had near death experiences, what did they see? We can't possibly go anywhere phisicaly as we are six feet under.
Do we float invisibly around the sky looking down with a big smile on our faces? Is heaven an actual place and if so do we eat and talk and drink and do all the things we do on earth but without the bad things?

MooseJam

You go to the same place you were at before you were born, nowhere in other words, there is no heaven or hell or any other place

elephantjuice

Like I said. How do you know?

MooseJam

because I was dead before I was born

Simi

Well if heaven is an 8 year old boy and the ladder is my penis...

Asiaprod

Simi wrote:

Well if heaven is an 8 year old boy and the ladder is my penis...

Simi, I think you had better explain this to me as my hand is reaching for the ban button as we speak.
Explain to me why the word pedophile should not keep popping into my head.
Asia

A very nice poster explained that "this is in fact a reference to a joke from Southpark. So it's not quite as sinister as it seems". Much appreciation to the poster. Did not catch that episode. Apologies Simi if I misunderstood you intent, this post had been reported.

elephantjuice

Well if heaven is an 8 year old boy and the ladder is my penis...

What do you mean?

elephantjuice

MooseJam wrote:

because I was dead before I was born

Were you not in your fathers testicles before you were born? I was..

Sangre

Biology would indicate otherwise!

Zombrex

elephantjuice wrote:

Obvisouly not. But, I'm just asking to see what people think. Maybe there are people who had near death experiences, what did they see? We can't possibly go anywhere phisicaly as we are six feet under.
Do we float invisibly around the sky looking down with a big smile on our faces? Is heaven an actual place and if so do we eat and talk and drink and do all the things we do on earth but without the bad things?

According the Bible heaven is a perfect cube city, based on Jerusalem, approx 1,500 miles in width and height (1,500 miles = 12,000 furlongs, which is the perfect number 12 multiplied by 1000)

I'll leave the Christians to debate if this is just a metaphor, or if heaven will actually be a physical cube city.

Blackhorse Slim

elephantjuice wrote:

Were you not in your fathers testicles before you were born? I was..

:eek:

What the hell were you doing in MooseJam's father's testicles?

robindch

Wicknight wrote:

According the Bible heaven is a perfect cube city

Never came across that one -- where's the incriminating line? Sounds like something from "Revelation" to me...

Zombrex

robindch wrote:

Never came across that one -- where's the incriminating line? Sounds like something from "Revelation" to me...

Got it in one

Revelation Chapter 21

elephantjuice

Whats going on. Why wont anyone answer this quesiton. Where do we go when we diE?

Sangre

To the cemetary.

Fallen Seraph

elephantjuice wrote:

Whats going on. Why wont anyone answer this quesiton.

I think the problem is that none of the regular christian posters have been on yet to answer your questions. I'm sure you'll get the kind of answers you're looking for in time.

FWIW, as an atheist I'm of the same opinion as moosejam. "You", as a sentient being, go precisely where you were before you were born: nothingness.

Asiaprod

robindch wrote:

Never came across that one -- where's the incriminating line? Sounds like something from "Revelation" to me...

I was going to ask the same thing, I have never come across that quote before.

And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

Asiaprod

elephantjuice wrote:

Well if heaven is an 8 year old boy and the ladder is my penis...

What do you mean?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Ladder_to_Heaven

Zombrex

elephantjuice wrote:

Whats going on. Why wont anyone answer this quesiton. Where do we go when we diE?

The question has been answered, you go to heaven, which is the New Jerusalem, or Hell which is a place full of fire and brimstone, as described in the Bible.

What other answer were you looking for?

If you are looking for a non-Christian answer perhaps you should post in the Spirituality forum.

robindch

John The Revealer wrote:

And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

Sounds like mother of all Borgs to me.

Zombrex

robindch wrote:

Sounds like mother of all Borgs to me.

You aren't the only one

http://www.nobeliefs.com/heaven.htm

Run_to_da_hills

Wicknight wrote:

The question has been answered, you go to heaven, which is the New Jerusalem, or Hell which is a place full of fire and brimstone, as described in the Bible.

The story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16 vs 19 to 31 is believed by many to be a true account of the state of man after death. It is a true story and not a parable because Jesus did not say it was a parable. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2016:19-31;&version=9;

robindch

Wicknight wrote:

You aren't the only one

a vision of a heaven full of identikit-people walking about going "You will be assimilated". Sounds like the Mormons or the scientologists to me.

Zombrex

Run_to_da_hills wrote:

It is a true story and not a parable because Jesus did not say it was a parable.

That seems rather implausible, since the rich man can physically see and talk to Abraham from hell.

Run_to_da_hills

Wicknight wrote:

That seems rather implausible, since the rich man can physically see and talk to Abraham from hell.

There is a great gulf fixed between them.

"And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence", Luke 16vs26

Zombrex

Run_to_da_hills wrote:

There is a great gulf fixed between them.

"And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence", Luke 16vs26

That is my point, if there is a great gulf between them it seem rather implausible that they can see and talk to each other.

Run_to_da_hills

Wicknight wrote:

That is my point, if there is a great gulf between them it seem rather implausible that they can see and talk to each other.

Our lord is emphasising the point that we still have a form of consciousness after we die.

Zombrex

Run_to_da_hills wrote:

Our lord is emphasising the point that we still have a form of consciousness after we die.

No offense Run but you seem to be having a completely different conversation to me ....

The man in hell can physically see the body of Abraham. He can talk to him. If this is to be taken literally and seriously that implies that there is a short distance between them and that there exists similar laws of physics such as mediums of energy transfer of sound and light in heaven as in this universe

The "great gulf" description appears to contradict this, implying that there is a large distance between hell and heaven.

Therefore it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to take the story Jesus says literally, especially coupled with the idea of heaven being a city, or hell being a land of fire and brimstone.

BrianCalgary

Wicknight wrote:

That is my point, if there is a great gulf between them it seem rather implausible that they can see and talk to each other.

A 'great gulf' simply means that they can not get to one another. But they can still talk.

Also at this time everyone who died went to Hades. Hades had two sections (Hell and Abraham's Bosom), one where the souls looked forward to the coming of Christ and the other section that had rejected God.

Matthew 27
51At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. 52The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

54When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, "Surely he was the Son of God!"

After that moment, all that believe in and put thei rtrust in Jesus will now enter the kingdom of Heaven.

Akrasia

Wicknight wrote:

According the Bible heaven is a perfect cube city, based on Jerusalem, approx 1,500 miles in width and height (1,500 miles = 12,000 furlongs, which is the perfect number 12 multiplied by 1000)

I'll leave the Christians to debate if this is just a metaphor, or if heaven will actually be a physical cube city.

that sounds like the matrix to me

philologos

BrianCalgary wrote:

A 'great gulf' simply means that they can not get to one another. But they can still talk.

Also at this time everyone who died went to Hades. Hades had two sections (Hell and Abraham's Bosom), one where the souls looked forward to the coming of Christ and the other section that had rejected God.

Matthew 27
51At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. 52The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

54When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, "Surely he was the Son of God!"

After that moment, all that believe in and put thei rtrust in Jesus will now enter the kingdom of Heaven.

Just finished his gospel last night. Well put Brian.

Zombrex

BrianCalgary wrote:

A 'great gulf' simply means that they can not get to one another. But they can still talk.

I'm not following. "Gulf" means wide. How can they see and talk to each other if they are a large distance apart?

Mrs. MacGyver

I think hell is a state of eternal separation from god and we experience itt while we are here on earth. Heaven is a state of perfect peace that we (hopeully) experience when we die. To be honest the thought of having a short live here and living 'up there' for ever is a really fightening concept to grasp. Maby the hindu's had it right with re-incarnation (which i know goes against all christian teaching on the theology surrounding the ressurection of the body nad the duality between body and soul).

BrianCalgary

Wicknight wrote:

I'm not following. "Gulf" means wide. How can they see and talk to each other if they are a large distance apart?

Hebrew word - Chasma - a gaping opening, a chasm, a gulf

The gaping opening may seperate the two by a few meters, yet it is big enough that no man can jump it, yet the voice could still carry over it.

It would be deep enough that you would die if you missed the jump. Chasms like this can be seen in the Rockies.

MooseJam

BrianCalgary wrote:

It would be deep enough that you would die if you missed the jump. Chasms like this can be seen in the Rockies.

but you are already dead, what would happen if you missed the jump, you would become super duper dead maybe

BrianCalgary

MooseJam wrote:

but you are already dead, what would happen if you missed the jump, you would become super duper dead maybe

The point being that: you can't get there from:) here'

kelly1

elephantjuice wrote:

Obvisouly not. But, I'm just asking to see what people think. Maybe there are people who had near death experiences, what did they see? We can't possibly go anywhere phisicaly as we are six feet under.
Do we float invisibly around the sky looking down with a big smile on our faces? Is heaven an actual place and if so do we eat and talk and drink and do all the things we do on earth but without the bad things?

Hello EJ, we have 2 ultimate destinations, Heaven or Hell. If were are in need of purification, we go to the ante-room of Heaven which is Purgatory. There are protestants here who will argue with this but this is Catholic teaching anyway.

Our fate after death depends on whether we die with sanctifying grace in our souls. Sanctifying grace gives our souls life and without it we cannot exist in the presence of God in the same way that we cannot exist underwater without scuba equipment.

Mortal sin destroys sanctifying grace and leaves our souls effectively dead. Confession and absolution restore it by the action of the Holy Spirit.

I don't know about the "physical" nature of Heaven and Hell but we will have no need of food or drink. Those in Heaven enjoy the bliss of the "Beatific Vision" which is an un-veiled vision of God and our depth of union with Him depends on the merits we've gained in this life. The will of those in Heaven is completely united with the will of God even to the point that we would agree with God were He to send one of our relatives to Hell.

1 Corinthians 2:9 But, as it is written: That eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither hath it entered into the heart of man, what things God hath prepared for them that love him.

I hope this helps

God bless,
Noel.

JimiTime

kelly1 wrote:

we go to the ante-room of Heaven which is Purgatory.

Who introduced this teaching? Is it ever mentioned in any scripture?

kelly1

JimiTime wrote:

Who introduced this teaching? Is it ever mentioned in any scripture?

Ah Jimmy, me old pal

This is really material for another thread but anyway, have a look at these links:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2646637-wiki-purgatory.html
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/purgatory.html
http://www.catholic.com/library/purgatory.asp

God bless,
Noel.

Spyral

you wont go anywhere... you'll be taken :P