Nein Nein.

BigCityBanker

1/2 NL in the Emporium.

It folded to Halfbaked in the CO who opens for 8, button folds, SB calls and i make it 35 from the BB with 99. Both players call.

Peters opening range here is quite wide. Almost any SC's, PP, or A10+, I feel his range for calling is similar given stack sizes and his position. SB's calling range here is probably alot tighter AJ+, 88+.

Myself and Peter are playing c.700, SB plays 185.

Flop A 9 3 (im pretty sure it was rainbow but im open to correction)

SB checks, I check as I feel Peter has an A and will bet at the pot. Peter obliges with a bet of 70. SB CRAI for 150, I call and Peter folds AJ. SB has AQ.

Any thoughts on this? I had been playing pretty aggressive at the table, betting draws and made hands alike.

What was my best post flop line? I regret not betting the flop and representing the A rather than c/c and making my hand look alot stronger to a good player like Peter. People who have played with Peter will appreciate it is very hard to get him to pay you off. That said what was my best course of action?

phantom_lord

not betting the flop is just silly.

valor

bet the flop

i really dislike 3 betting with 99 here, although its not as bad as it would be with less deep stacks

bops

i dont think i'd 3bet and i def would lead the flop

...maybe if the sb wasn't in the hand it may have played out better for you - it was an easy fold for him given the action

jbravado

I lead the flop-I certainly see no merit in checkraising-was that your plan if the shorty hadnt pushed?

The problem is a a call also kills your action against Peter if he is playing well-infact I dont think you were getting him to put much more into the pot unless he catches a sneaky jack on the turn.....

Its easy to get Halfbakedyou pay you off though-just get him to play the toss game!

I dont mind the preflop action at all-as you have said his range is wide here and shorty most likely has a bag of bones.

The Al Lad

You played the hand well IMO and took down at pot of €475, which is more than half of wat you were playing......

you new "halfbaked" more than likely had an ace and wanted to trap check-raise him on either the flop or the turn....and it worked in the end with the SB who shipped with A Q....

BigCityBanker

bops wrote:

...maybe if the sb wasn't in the hand it may have played out better for you - it was an easy fold for him given the action

Peter did say he knew the SB had him cooked and thats what killed my action.

jbravado wrote:

certainly see no merit in checkraising

I didnt intend to check raise. I was gonna check call and lead at the turn for c.2/3rd pot.

Flushdraw

HB is no fool. You raise OOP and then check the flop and call a bet and push. Theres no way he's ahead with AJ and its an easy fold. You should lead the flop to half disguise your hand but i dont think HB is paying you off in this hand whatever way you play thanks to the small blinds action

jbravado

BigCityBanker wrote:

I didnt intend to check raise. I was gonna check call and lead at the turn for c.2/3rd pot.

Once you check the flop (assuming shorty mucks) I think this may be the best line-or even check the turn which a lot of the time hb checks behind and get paid with a value bet on the river.

BuChan

i think if you check call the flop you must check the turn aswell, leading the turn is broadcasting your hand. i also think you're right to 3bet preflop as your hand is killing his range to open with in the cutoff and with position he can easily win the the worst hand as 99 isn't in love with many flops. i would bet the flop here everytime, i think it's the best way to win a big pot and disguise your hand slightly.

robinlacey

its often tempting to check a set when you're out of position and feel that the other guy will most likely bet. however you almost always end up regretting it,the trouble is that sure you get his one c-bet,but then you have to either check raise,which is going to get rid of everything worse than AK on this board,or c/c flop and lead the turn,which is really strong looking,especially on such a dry board.

unless you are against an opponent who will keep firing at the pot if you check call every street,which is unlikely in a reraised pot,you are much better off betting the flop here,especially as the preflop reraiser.

if you bet the flop here he will make a call with a fairly wide range of hands,since he will be expecting you to bet the majority of your preflop reraising range. you want to disguise the strength of your hand,and betting does this,at least more so than checking.

once you bet the flop and he calls,all you can do is keep firing at the pot and hope he talks himself into a heroic calldown.

somewhat optimistic perhaps,but hopefully you've been playing agressively enough the rest of the time that its not going to look insanely strong if you keep betting,i tend to fire more second barells than an italian sharpshooter in general so people will often end up making heroic calldowns against me.

also in general poker players' mistakes are more likely to involve calling too much than betting too much so when you have a strong hand you may as well give them the chance to make that mistake rather than hoping they pick this particular spot to launch a multi-street bluff in a reraised pot.

Katooey

I don't like your reasoning for reraising preflop.

Can't see why you didn't lead the flop either. I don't like the play of anyone in the hand.

jbravado

Katooey wrote:

I don't like your reasoning for reraising preflop.

Why?

A few people have mentioned the preflop bet.I think its fine-c/o range is huge-ok were oop but the stacks are relatively deep and were up against a player the hero has played a lot of hands with.

BigCityBanker

good post Robin - alot of solid points in there.

kryogen

I pretty much echo robins post here, thankfully he wrote it all down so i can be lazy!!! i have no issue with the pre flop action, your stacks are deep enough that you can give up the hand if you face a horrible flop and it hasnt cost you much, also if you have an aggressive image i imagine its not too out of the ordinary for you to come over the top pre flop so its not a bad play as post flop they will still be relatively unsure of your holding, but i definatly lead at the flop. how often do you raise, let alone re raise and check??

to be results based for a minute i will say that the hand seems to have turned out well for you despite it!! so nh sir! LOL:D

Moneymaker

If you put the button on an ace, thats exactly why you should have bet into him. He won't put you on a set if you bet out on a rainbow board and will probably come over the top to at least see where he stands.

I like to bet out with big hands like sets because people won't put you on a hand as strong as that if you're betting out, since you're supposed to slow-play and check, right?

cardshark202

BigCityBanker wrote:

Almost any SC's, PP, or A10+, I feel his range for calling is similar given stack sizes and his position.

I check as I feel Peter has an A and will bet at the pot. Peter obliges with a bet of 70.

How do you suddnely know he has an ace given your read before the flop?

BigCityBanker

cardshark202 wrote:

How do you suddnely know he has an ace given your read before the flop?

His facial expression and movements when the flop was peeled off.

I left my crystal ball at home last night so was unable to consult that.

HeeHawsCantona

you played the hand well Noel and got enough out of it - u cant play the same all of the time - everyone thinks you should have bet out on the flop to disquise the strength of your hand??? quite strange that!!!

Katooey

jbravado wrote:

Why?

A few people have mentioned the preflop bet.I think its fine-c/o range is huge-ok were oop but the stacks are relatively deep and were up against a player the hero has played a lot of hands with.

Reraising is ok when they are deep. However, BCB said he reraised because he believed Halfbaked would call him with anything he had raised with. I don't understand the thinking. In general it isn't a good idea to reraise 99 oop. I'd rather 3 bet with muck.

BuChan

Katooey wrote:

Reraising is ok when they are deep. However, BCB said he reraised because he believed Halfbaked would call him with anything he had raised with. I don't understand the thinking. In general it isn't a good idea to reraise 99 oop. I'd rather 3 bet with muck.

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HalfBaked

Results wise I think you won the maximum from the hand. I actually had 3s5s, so if you lead the flop I was gone. But that's results based thinking. I think you should have lead the flop as CC and leading for 2/3 the pot on the turn is a very strong line.

I was pretty sure when you re raised from the bb you had either a pocket pair or AQ+. The SB was pretty tight and I had him on a similar range. When the flop came down and both of you checked I felt it was a good board to represent the ace. It was the first time I had played with the sb but all the hands he had played so far that evening where he had an ace on a ace high board he had lead. I also believe that you would lead any ace you re-raised pre flop with from the bb.

Once the sb CRAI I was ready to make a reluctant call as I was pretty sure then he had an A. But with the money already in the pot I was getting the odds to call the additional 80. My equity against Ax on that board (with backdoor straight and flush draw) is about 25%.

To be honest I had already discounted you from the hand at this stage but once you had checked and then called a raise and a re-raise the monster alert went off. Whether I had AJ, or in this instance 35s, it made the hand an easy fold.

El Stuntman

HalfBaked wrote:

To be honest I had already discounted you from the hand at this stage but once you had checked and then called a raise and a re-raise the monster alert went off. Whether I had AJ, or in this instance 35s, it made the hand an easy fold.

two questions in relation to this hand:

where I can purchase one of these?

BCB, how do you always manage to flop sets?

BigCityBanker

El Stuntman wrote:

BCB, how do you always manage to flop sets?

I dont. However, when I do flop them I seem to have a knack of playing them in a questionable manner!

HeeHawsCantona

Well I haven't had the pleasure of playing with you before but I reckon you played this hand extremely well - there are many ways of playing a hand and most of them in live play are influenced by behaviour on the table (both past and in the current hand) - you made a packet out of it - be happy!!!