simple kk hand

phantom_lord · 21-07-2007 8:01pm #1

30/11/1 over 100, 18/11/1 at the time of the hand.

i had very little to go on him at the time, he wasn't at the table long. I've been 3betting a little, nothing out of line, and not against him.

there's no real bvb's history between us.

I'm in the sb, button opens, I 3bet to 13. he calls quickly.

I bet 19 on a J36r

He shoves for 86 total.

action?

Van Dice · 21-07-2007 8:18pm

Call. Not close either

insafehands · 21-07-2007 8:26pm

Every second, of every day, of every year, this is a call.

LuckyLloyd · 21-07-2007 8:46pm

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robinlacey · 21-07-2007 9:02pm

call

opr · 21-07-2007 9:33pm

Why is this such a snap easy call ??

What does some cold call a 3 bet with and then shove over a really dry flop when we bet.

QQ is all we beat as far as i see. I think this is a pretty marginal call. If stacks were deeper i would be folding.

Opr

LuckyLloyd · 21-07-2007 10:21pm

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phantom_lord · 21-07-2007 10:33pm

at the time of the hand he's stats were actualy about 18/11/1 i think.

Van Dice · 21-07-2007 10:44pm

opr wrote:

Why is this such a snap easy call ??

What does some cold call a 3 bet with and then shove over a really dry flop when we bet.

QQ is all we beat as far as i see. I think this is a pretty marginal call. If stacks were deeper i would be folding.

Opr

He is 30/11/1. Over small sample but enough to guess that he is probably not very good.
We are getting almost exactly 2/1 odds, needing 33% equity in the pot.
Giving him a range of AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 66, 33 and AJ, we have over 49% equity. This range is ridiculously tight, even against semi-decent players.

Therefore I agree, it's not a snap call. It's celebrate, shout, victory lap, then call!
Although given that the question has been posted I'm quite sure the KK was no good

But folding here is just burning money. Give his range as 33, 66, JJ, QQ, KK, AA, and we have a tiny bit over 33% equity. There is no player on earth whose range is tighter than that.

robinlacey · 21-07-2007 10:54pm

i think its a call because poker players are terrible until proven otherwise,especially at low stakes.

we don't know anything about this guy but we do have what most people would consider a very strong hand.

what's more, he has played his hand in an unorthodox fashion,which is more likely to be because he is a donk than because he is a good player trying out a new move.

sometimes you call here and he has a set and you feel like an idiot,but i reckon more often than not he has some random crap like J8 or QK.

mrflash · 21-07-2007 10:59pm

absolute 100% call, and if you are even thinking about it, its time for a break.

Moneymaker · 21-07-2007 10:59pm

Instant call. You can't be afraid of sets in this game. Espically against someone with stats like that.

opr · 21-07-2007 11:02pm

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Because he is 30 / 11 / 1. We also beat AJ / KJ / 1010

PL did say this was over no smaple size so the stats mean nothing. You would have to be awful to cold call 3 bets with these hands and then come over the top of soemone on such a dry flop.

I am calling but its purely cause i am getting 2/1 but i still don't like it.

Opr

robinlacey · 21-07-2007 11:02pm

lol,also what van dice said!

i never do that sort of maths but i probably should,i didn't realise it was that clear a call,i was certainly presuming a much wider range when i was thinking about the hand...

phantom_lord · 21-07-2007 11:08pm

Moneymaker wrote:

Instant call. You can't be afraid of sets in this game. Espically against someone with stats like that.

his stats were very nitty at the time of the hand. small sample size tho.

opr · 21-07-2007 11:11pm

Van Dice wrote:

Give his range as 33, 66, JJ, QQ, KK, AA, and we have a tiny bit over 33% equity. There is no player on earth whose range is tighter than that.

How ?? your talking about someone who is cold calling a 3 bet preflop then shoving over a raiser on a really dry flop. Your range above is exactly the range i think he should be given not because of the player and his range (sample size to small for this) but because of the action that has taken place which gives me this range.

Given this and the odds i did say it is a marginal call i just wanted to point out that i expect to be behind after i make the call alot of the time.

The fact that its a raise from the button doesn't really bother me that much as i don't think people 3 bet light too often at these levels from the blinds and i am sure if he is good enough to be taking advantage of postion and the button he would also know this and not be calling light.

Opr

phantom_lord · 21-07-2007 11:18pm

robinlacey wrote:

lol,also what van dice said!

i never do that sort of maths but i probably should,i didn't realise it was that clear a call,i was certainly presuming a much wider range when i was thinking about the hand...

that's why i posted up the hand, just curious what range people would assign to him. i haven't really had people do this on me, and didn't really know what to put him on.

sikes · 21-07-2007 11:23pm

i would call the all in regardless of the amount

phantom_lord · 21-07-2007 11:28pm

would u call with aj here?

sikes · 21-07-2007 11:37pm

Thats a hell of a lot closer, i would though, becuase i think 77-TT are in his range enough of the time and of course weaker Js.

Jesus Wept · 22-07-2007 12:16am

phantom_lord wrote:

that's why i posted up the hand, just curious what range people would assign to him. i haven't really had people do this on me, and didn't really know what to put him on.

He is too donkalicious to put on a hand, regardless of weather he has done it with a big hand, a marginal hand, or air.

You just hit call and hope for the best.

If he has shoved in with a set, it's probably a case of his logic been 'I DON;T WANT ANYONE DRAWING TO 2 OUTS?!!? THEY WILL HIT'

And as you know, that's some retarded logic, so, nothing you do but pay him off.

opr · 22-07-2007 12:22am

sikes wrote:

Thats a hell of a lot closer, i would though, becuase i think 77-TT are in his range enough of the time and of course weaker Js.

I think thats a mental range given the action.

Opr

opr · 22-07-2007 12:24am

The-Rigger wrote:

If he has shoved in with a set, it's probably a case of his logic been 'I DON;T WANT ANYONE DRAWING TO 2 OUTS?!!? THEY WILL HIT'

And as you know, that's some retarded logic, so, nothing you do but pay him off.

Given stack size and a 3bet pot i don't think pushing with a set here is bad.

Opr

robinlacey · 22-07-2007 12:25am

opr wrote:

I think thats a mental range given the action.

Opr

most .50/1 players are mental though

robinlacey · 22-07-2007 12:27am

opr wrote:

Given stack size and a 3bet pot i don't think pushing with a set here is bad.

Opr

i would do that quite a lot,but at higher stakes where people are more agressive,and usually with a less dry flop. i'd be surprised to find many .50/1 players doing that sort of thing,and i'm not sure the games would be agressive enough in general for it to be a good idea anyway.

sikes · 22-07-2007 12:36am

opr wrote:

I think thats a mental range given the action.

Opr

its 100NL.

pumpkinpints · 22-07-2007 12:36am

misclick?

opr · 22-07-2007 12:41am

robinlacey wrote:

most .50/1 players are mental though

sikes wrote:

its 100NL.

lol , ok lads. I am conviced that PL is going to say this donkey turned up with 23 off now.

Opr

phantom_lord · 22-07-2007 1:32am

haha no, he had 99. i thought it was a bit bizare tbh, didn't really know what to expect to see at showdown since no one seemed to do this on party.

it appears to be all the rage on ipoker tho, with three similar hands tonight (all on j high rainbow boards coincidently!), can't see it lasting too long tho as every one of them got stacked!