deffering college

neon_glows

deffering college for a year, whats the procedure?

Sully

Speak to your course leader, in your case that would be Mariead Meagher. She will advise you further on the correct procedures.

neon_glows

Was told to write a letter to the register of the college requesting a defferal, just checking to see if iv missed any vital information, still havent heard back from the college either, lady at the desk did suggest it could take till september which is a bit mad, lol.

Havermeyer

I deferred four years ago. I had to write a letter explaining my reason for deferring. Pretty much it, as far as I know. It does have to be a genuine reason though.

Sully

Guess your reason of "I want to Travel the world" wont be accepted Nick :P

ec18

Yeah looks like you can say bye bye to bondai beach for another while......

neon_glows

Well the letter was wrote assuring the college that i will return, i mentioned some personal issues that i would like some time to think through and finally mentioned i would like to use some of the time off to build up some work experience in the area im studying and to do some travelling.

If my defferal isnt accepted is there no other way out of it?

Sully

1) Personal Issues you discussed with me? I cant see them allowing you through on that.. I honestly cant see how that event affected you. It just made you think differently.

2) Work Experience? I doubt that will even be considered. Thats what 3rd year is all about in your course. You learn for the first two years, and experience in 3rd year.

I see where your coming from tho, hence why iv started a business to start now rather then later. But I doubt that excuse will work..

3) Travelling is all to common. If nummnutts is correct - you cant deffer because you want to travel. Most people do it in 6th year or when college finishes.

neon_glows

Has anyone ever been refused a defferel in Waterford?

ec18

neon_glows wrote:

Has anyone ever been refused a defferel in Waterford?

don't know....probably

Minto

Didn't think this warranted a new thread. Am posting this for a friend of mine, he is in Civil Engineering, just finished year 1, has a few repeats etc., but he wants to know if he can deffer for this year and come back in September '08 and do the subjects he failed in year 1? I think it is possible, but not sure. Also, the reason he wants to deffer is that he is part of the Order of Malta in Tramore and join the Civil Defense (he wants to join the fire service, but also wants a degree), so he wants to take the year out to do these things and then go back to college. Do ye think the college will accept his reasons or tell him where to go? Thanks

cyberwit

Minto wrote:

Didn't think this warranted a new thread. Am posting this for a friend of mine, he is in Civil Engineering, just finished year 1, has a few repeats

If a student repeats a year the student will have to pay the course fees for that year as well as the registration fee. The student will not be able to receive a grant for that year.

Sully

Minto wrote:

Didn't think this warranted a new thread. Am posting this for a friend of mine, he is in Civil Engineering, just finished year 1, has a few repeats etc., but he wants to know if he can deffer for this year and come back in September '08 and do the subjects he failed in year 1? I think it is possible, but not sure. Also, the reason he wants to deffer is that he is part of the Order of Malta in Tramore and join the Civil Defense (he wants to join the fire service, but also wants a degree), so he wants to take the year out to do these things and then go back to college. Do ye think the college will accept his reasons or tell him where to go? Thanks

You need a proper reason to defer college - I know the OPs reason and its much better. Him wanting to join a voluntary service is not a good reason. He (im assuming) still has not been accepted into the Fire Service - has he even had an interview yet? Seems rather pointless taking a year out to work with the Order of Malta & Civil Defence. Cant imagine the college thinking its the best of reasons either.

Anyway, from my own experience: get the repeats over and done with. I'm stuck with an exam from first year that im finding hard to pass, going into third year now. I'm assuming he has paid up for his exams, so I doubt any deferrals will be accepted this late and I also cant imagine any refunds being given.

neon_glows

well as you see from this thread no one has ever heard of someone getting refued for a defferal and jsut becuase some people dont think taking a year out to do something like voluntary work isnt worth while towards you college and career i would tend to disagree but maybe im wrong.

I would think doing some of the stuff you mention would be a chance to help build character and if the college could see a reason why doing this work woud help further his career in any way then i wouldnt see why not but i think if it doesnt seem to further the guys academic career or he doesnt convince the register that he will actually return then maybe he mighten get it.

Im still waiting on my confirmation.

Sully

Your carrer is more important then working in the Order of Malta or Civil Defense, in my opinion. I also dont see how it helps (espically in the course being undertaken) you in college in the future. It only looks good on your C.V., but im not to sure how employers would like those who cant stick at something (more in your case Nick, as you changed courses a few times and now want a break!) for a long period of time.

If you want to take a year out to go holidaying or joining some voluntary services, you should do it at the start or end of college. I also recall our (I see our, as we all went to the CBS) carrier guidance teacher recommending this.

Why cant you work part-time in these services and go to college? Order Of Malta weekdays is quiet, its weekends and events such as the Races.

Its just my opinion - the college will have their own opinion and you might get lucky and be OK. I think its great people doing the Order of Malta/Civil Defense and have the highest respect for someone who is part of such services. I just dont think its worth taking a year out to go full time, when you can complete college and then do it.

I wish WIT were more specific and didnt take so bloody long. It must be pain for you Nicky, waiting for so long for them to act on your request.

Minto

Thanks Nick, that was more or less my thoughts too. I would think that he may get it because he has these repeats because of his volunteer work, so by getting these out of the way (the year off), he'd be more concentrated on his course.

Now, I feel a little stupid asking this as I already know the answer, but if he doesn't go back to college, but doesn't de-register, he can't just do his repeat next year, can he? I highly doubt he can, but it would be better than repeating the whole year for him.

neon_glows

i would imagine you could do it, best to email his course leader.

Also there is no reason for not taking a year out, some people dont come back after it but for those very few who dont come back im sure the others come back very focused on there career.

Minto

neon_glows wrote:

Also there is no reason for not taking a year out, some people dont come back after it but for those very few who dont come back im sure the others come back very focused on there career.

Tbh, I have that concern about him myself, but he claims he'll comeback and says that he doesn't wanna work in a chipper for the rest of his life, so i'm 99.9% sure he will be back. I'll get him to email his course leader. Thanks again Nick, hope you get your defferal!

Sully

I had to laugh when I heard the excuse for failing. He wants WIT to leave him defer to work with Order of Malta, who he claims are the cause of the problem in the first place?! Dont go there!

I spoke to someone in WIT today about this, and have been told WIT are not to bothered about accepting deferals (which she said can be done at anytime). She said that the main reasons they get accepted are if someone wants to take a break to further there carrer oportunities by going of working / travelling (as Nicky wants to do, but his migth be different considering he keeps changing his mind about what he wants to do!). They dont accept referals for those who just want a "break" from college.

The college expects the form be filled, in full, with a letter attached further giving proper valid reasons. This is the first hurdle.

I think your friend might be wise to come up with a better excuse. In fairness, he can continue to work in the Order of Malta and do college at the same time - like he has always done. If he decides to go full time, its mainly weekend/evening work. And isnt the Civil Defense the same thing? I cant imagine someone having time for both, but I could easily be wrong..

Also, if you drop out you need to re-apply through the CAO (as far as im aware). Doesnt look good if you do that, and then come back a year later. Espically if your deferal is turned down! And drop-outs would more then likely have to repeat the year.

Sully

neon_glows wrote:

Also there is no reason for not taking a year out, some people dont come back after it but for those very few who dont come back im sure the others come back very focused on there career.

There is a reason not to defer. Just get college over and done with and then go on a year break.

No offence Nick, but I cant see you returning if you defer. You went into second year, then back to first (semester 2), and now you want to drop out for a year?! Why not just get the rest of the college over and done with, then take a year out? If your unsure about the course, that's different. A year out might be helpful..

Anyway, best of luck to you and the other chap if he applies. Let us know how you get on. I think for further advise/help - ask WITSU or your course leader.

neon_glows

Sully i wont be as young as you when i finnish college, lol being my reason to go now, that and i have the spondola's saved

I dunno about the form you mentioned but i spoke with the person today regarding my defferal and was given some completely of the record imformation.

Fact:

Majority of defferals are accepted in regoin of 99%.

My letter covering some very small/minor personal issue's and the urge to travel and obtain some work experience to futher my career is a similiar type letter that would be approved.

Defferels that raise a flag are those that are not standard defferals, where the person wants to deffer for two years or this isnt the first time they have done it.


Finally the hold up on me hearin back abou my defferal is that i cant get a defferal until i pass my repeat maths as technically i have not progressed to 2nd year yet.

Sully

You spoke to my source to, from what im told But ya, she said the same to me.. I doubt she said 99% tho. Just the "majority".

Your reasons for travelling and to get work experience are what the college consider valid. My only concern with your application is your attendance record and your change of year since coming to the new course!

Working in two voluntary organisations doesnt count as work experience - and since he failed, he cant get a defferal (id imagine). I just cant see the reasons given by Minto as anything that the college would accept (and btw, you cant work in the Civil Defence and Order of Malta at the same time. They are the same service affectively - so im informed). Its not the usual type of deferal request I suppose..

She mentioned to me about defering exams. I wonder what the grounds for that are?

Minto

Sully wrote:

Working in two voluntary organisations doesnt count as work experience

First of all, thats your opinion and secondly, voluntary work is character building. I would assume WIT, would place some emphasis on achievements other than just trying to further your career.
As a business student, we are thought that team work is vital in your career, likewise i'm sure the school of engineering would place a similar emphasis on team work.
Last time I checked, a voluntary org, especially ones similar to what I mentioned above, are fairly dependent on team work. I personally would give it to him based on working with voluntary orgs, but then again, I don't decide who gets a deferral and who doesn't.

Sully

Im fully aware its my opinion - iv stated that already . I still think however that taking a year out to work in the Order of Malta is not work experience. Plus, you said he wanted to work in the Civil Defence to - but he cant. Its one or the other. (From what im told)

He has worked in the Order of Malta and Doolys for a considerable amount of time, he comes into college for a year and decides he wants to drop out for a year to contine his work in an organisation he is already a member of. Thats time wasting, not character building. He has had plenty of time to build that character, and he can continue to do so part time while in college. A few hours a week in the Order of Malta did not cause him to fail his exams - come of it Minto!

You come into college to further your carrer. He obviously wants to do something in the construction industry, so he needs to focus on that and get experience in that department. Not going of and having an easy year out with the Order of Malta, which is not a busy unit. Perhaps if he wanted to defer for reasons Nicky has put forward, that would be different. But to drop out for a year with a load of failed exams just to continue working a small bit extra in Doolys (which is quiet in the Winter) and a voluntary service (also quiet in the Winter) thats not as highly respected as other services (Order of Malta in Tramore is unique from others, as they do call outs. Hence, the general opinion is not as high as another voluntary service such as working voluntary with the Fire Service) is to me - just plain silly.

In fairness to Nicky, he has done the cert course and half a year in a Degree course. He lost a friend of his which made him think differently about life, and wants to take a year out as a "break" but will continue to focus on his carrer but getting extra work experience in that area. Then he plans to come back and finish the degree - which is tough. Tougher then learning business. Your friends course is probably even tougher - a lot more tougher the business!

His is more valid then your friends. His has more of a chance getting accepted. (Excluding other areas which may affect Nicky) But, as you said, thats my opinion. WIT will make the final decision and it will be interesting. Maybe they dont care what reasons you give, and I think this will prove either.