100% sure your getting looked up; still a push

nicnicnic

blinds 1500/3000 playing 27k 4 way limped pot

Ad 4d flop QdKd 10x your sb checked to button who bets 6k

sure I have at least 12 outs probably 15 but sure of a call; is there any other play this then the push

RoundTower

well you could call hoping someone else will call with something like a lower flush draw or a naked J, or you could fold, I think you could make up scenarios where any of those could be right.

kryogen

nicnicnic wrote:

blinds 1500/3000 playing 27k 4 way limped pot

Ad 4d flop QdKd 10x your sb checked to button who bets 6k

sure I have at least 12 outs probably 15 but sure of a call; is there any other play this then the push

If you take folding out of the equation,you can make a decent arguement for a flat call or an all in, a raise is pretty redundant as it commits you to the pot anyway so you may as well just push if you wanna take the lead here..

flat calling and hoping the sb will call is ok too i guess, but if you completely blank the turn what will you do then? id probably ship here myself to either take it there or at least have my decision made while i still have the maximum chances to hit my outs!

mrflash

i dont get it nicky, are you saying you are small blind, you are 48% to hit flush or gut shot combined, and if you include the aces you go to 60%, so if you include the aces, its obviously a check raise situation, if you are small blind.

dougee19

min raise.... hehe

but seriously... dont think a call is the best option, if u have 24k on the flop and u flat call then u have 18 left, and this might enduce a call from a player behind but calling on the turn with 1 card to come isnt very comfortable, would rather get it all in on the flop when u get 2 for free and people might still call and u triple up instead of something like an ace on the turn and they fold to a big bet and u only double up
hopefully thats understandable when reading

i always prefer a push here to be honest, just personal opinion

mdwexford

a surprising well written post considering the amount of miller you's were drinking

i CRAI here almost every time

valor

shove preflop

LuckyLloyd

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bops

there is a good argument to just flat call here:

say you decide that you are going to see the river card even if the turn is a brick - you have 12 outs for the nutleys and a flat call may induce other players to put money in the pot giving you a higher return if you hit

why try and isolate this hand to just 2 players, when if you hit you win, and if you miss you loose?

on the other hand, if you suspect the button is only playing the button (lol) then maybe a push is best in the form of a semi-bluff, to take it down uncontested

nicnicnic

mdwexford wrote:

a surprising well written post considering the amount of miller you's were drinking

i CRAI here almost every time

vague recollection of making this post but some thoughtful and intuitive suggestions from great poker minds so I'm glad I did.

Dave how is the poker in LA?

carfax

What stage of tournament are we at Nicky?

Are we in the cut-off, i.e. Do we close the action is we just flat call?

nicnicnic

carfax wrote:

What stage of tournament are we at Nicky?

Are we in the cut-off, i.e. Do we close the action is we just flat call?

Small blind final table bubble

carfax

nicnicnic wrote:

Small blind final table bubble

I probably push even knowing we're getting called......Mostly because of the blinds but also because you're winning (not by much but winning all the same) against almost every hand that he could have limped with in the button and if you do get a call from one of the other players as well you will either treble up (and crush the table from there on in) or get sent packing.

connie147

By CR'ing all in, your actually going to be guaranteed a call with only 8BB's to play with. I'd prefer to be the aggressor here and push my 24k in on the flop when 1st to speak and put a real decision on the other 3 players.

carfax

connie147 wrote:

By CR'ing all in, your actually going to be guaranteed a call with only 8BB's to play with. I'd prefer to be the aggressor here and push my 24k in on the flop when 1st to speak and put a real decision on the other 3 players.

Good point.....But after checking the flop what do you do?

mdwexford

i dont mind a call on that flop though, were never much of a dog, even against 2 pair were only 60-40 behind. against a bare king were a fav. if we are trying to get some chips together for the final table its a good spot to gamble.
id rather give them a chance to bluff at the flop by CRAI, your hand is too big to just shove imo, the pot isnt big enough its 27k to win 12k.
i dont like flat calling the 6 unless you're planning to shove a blank turn.