flopped 2 pr .... unorthodox play

Macspower

the button in this hand is a major loose bad agressive player stats 85/65/7/120. The reason for the unusual limp call is due to the agressive nature of the button player. he will raise from his button guaranteed every time and prob every other position as well..... there is lots of limp calling going on around the table with loads of multiway pots with every one looking to double through him..

the actual villan in this hand is a solid player with stats of 20/7/3/350. he's a bit of a nit I think but havn't been really paying attention to him with the uber fish at the table...

As you can see here I limp with the intention of calling his button raise and hoping to hit... I've already lost a bit by 3 betting him with AQ and hitting a q high flop and folding to an open push by him on a QJ10 board to be shown 5/2o..

Anyway I limp... enough excuses for my limp!! ..... Now the CO raises instead but once the bad guy calls I'm in there..

Comments this far??

Texas Hold'em NL $1.00/$2.00 2007-07-16 19:12:08
Table "TURBO" Maliq
Seat 1: Tilttihirmu ($199.00 in chips)
Seat 3: Amenhoteph ($236.00 in chips)
Seat 5: demacc ($237.75 in chips)
Seat 6: gekos666 ($383.80 in chips)
Seat 8: espana90 ($197.00 in chips)
Seat 10: papagetoff ($554.98 in chips) DEALER
Tilttihirmu: Post SB $1.00
Amenhoteph: Post BB $2.00

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to demacc [Ah 10h]

demacc: Call $2.00
gekos666: Fold
espana90: Raise $8.00
papagetoff: Call $8.00
Tilttihirmu: Fold
Amenhoteph: Fold
demacc: Call $6.00

*** FLOP *** [Ad 10s 9d]


I now lead out pretty sure I'll get a RR with any two from the bad guy but this happens....

demacc: Bet $20.00
espana90: Raise $40.00 (villan)
papagetoff: Fold (loose bad player)

What would you do here???

Anyway here is what I do....

demacc: Raise $100.00
espana90: Allin $149.00
demacc: Call $69.00

Comments on this???

I'll post results later but just wondering about the play as it's far from my normal line in this situation...?

Thanks guys..

Mac

Van Dice

a) I really don't understand why you folded AQ in first hand given your description of villain.

b) I don't see how this is unorthodox?

Macspower

1) Sorry in the first hand I hadn't got a read on the villan as I had only sat down.. if it was at this stage I would have called immediatley.... was just a bit of history that I had....

2) unorthodox as if it was a table of normal players I would always be the raiser here and never the limp/caller.... aslo I ended up playing the hand against the tight player who would also know that the button was a lunatic...

valor

that fold with AQ vs guy with those stats is atrocious

Macspower

we probably cross posted valor....... see above... at the time i had no stats and no reads... it was my first alert to the maniac style of him

Van Dice

Ok well from the flop on I don't see what other way you planned to play this. If he had 99 rebuy. He has A9, AK/AQ, big draw a lot more often though. AK probably.

valor

i would just shove into the min raise, if he has you beaten cooler

BrandonBlock

I would shove here:

espana90: Raise $40.00 (villan)

And pray for a paired board, he likely has a high FD and/or OESD.

BobSloane

If I flop a set or top two in this type situation I would usually lead into the pre-flop raiser. This is the best way to get all the money in the centre. What is your normal line here? If its a check-raise or a check call bet the turn I don't think its the best play generally.

I like your re-raise size when he min-raises you. Nothing wrong with a push either

Mr.Plough

does he just raise light or has he a wide 3betting range also?

if its both then your pf motives arn't too bad. If your just trying to get action on a hand like a10 oop its really bad.

CaptainNemo

I agree, I like how you played it on all streets and if he has 99 oh well, that's life. He could just as easily have A9 or 10-9.

Macspower

Mr.Plough wrote:

does he just raise light or has he a wide 3betting range also?

if its both then your pf motives arn't too bad. If your just trying to get action on a hand like a10 oop its really bad.

the villan would have a tight enough raising range even from the button but the loose bad player will raise any two in general. he will often fold if someone else raises... hence my limp... The reason I ask about the hand is that I very rarely call a raise hoping to hit and it's bad in general.... but against this opp I thought it was the right move at the time but am interested in opinions....

Macspower

As is often the case in these hands the OP is posting because they lost the hand and want to see if they did right.... Same for me here....

It was suggested that I only get called by a better hand by one of my friends when I RR the flop but I think I also get a call from a lot of hands that I beat here as well.

Anyway I guess it was a cooler....

GAME #601856550: Texas Hold'em NL $1.00/$2.00 2007-07-16 19:12:08
Table "TURBO" Maliq
Seat 1: Tilttihirmu ($199.00 in chips)
Seat 3: Amenhoteph ($236.00 in chips)
Seat 5: demacc ($237.75 in chips)
Seat 6: gekos666 ($383.80 in chips)
Seat 8: espana90 ($197.00 in chips)
Seat 10: papagetoff ($554.98 in chips) DEALER
Tilttihirmu: Post SB $1.00
Amenhoteph: Post BB $2.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to espana90 [H9 S9]
Dealt to demacc [HA H10]
demacc: Call $2.00
gekos666: Fold
espana90: Raise $8.00
papagetoff: Call $8.00
Tilttihirmu: Fold
Amenhoteph: Fold
demacc: Call $6.00
*** FLOP *** [DA S10 D9]
demacc: Bet $20.00
espana90: Raise $40.00
papagetoff: Fold
demacc: Raise $100.00
espana90: Allin $149.00
demacc: Call $69.00
*** TURN *** [S8]
*** RIVER *** [DJ]
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $402.00 Rake $3.00
espana90: wins $402.00

smilingatyou

Macspower wrote:

the villan would have a tight enough raising range even from the button but the loose bad player will raise any two in general. he will often fold if someone else raises... hence my limp... QUOTE]
why not Raise in order to get some dead money in the pot.
maniacs can hit the flop too!

BobSloane

Macspower wrote:

It was suggested that I only get called by a better hand by one of my friends when I RR the flop but I think I also get a call from a lot of hands that I beat here as well.

The board is draw heavy and you are up against one opponent. The pot is raised. Only three hands beat you. You have a few outs to outdraw his most likely holding that beats you. You are oop and a worrying card could well fall on the turn.
Imo post flop you played the hand very well

Macspower

smilingatyou wrote:

Macspower wrote:

the villan would have a tight enough raising range even from the button but the loose bad player will raise any two in general. he will often fold if someone else raises... hence my limp... QUOTE]
why not Raise in order to get some dead money in the pot.
maniacs can hit the flop too!

reasoning whether right or wrong was that I raised a lot of pots earlier and said maniac folded but I noticed if I limped to him he will raise and 2 and continue betting even if missed.... i wanted him in..... maybe this was a misake...

rag2gar

Its hard to put him on 99 mac, ul