AA - 50nl

RoadSweeper

Villian is 20/7.2
agg is 2.0 on all streets.

over 142 hands


He wouldnt have much info on how im playing, only sat down.

Green Joke Poker Cynthiana 0.25/0.50, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

saw flop | saw showdown

Button MiiiigaS ($50)
SB MrBa123 ($74.46)
BB deka88 ($15.14)
UTG Paxy17 ($72.67)
UTG+1 den999 ($50.85)
CO Hero ($65.70)

Preflop: Hero is in the CO with A A
1 fold, den999 raises to 2, Hero raises to 7.50, 3 folds, den999 calls 5.50.

Flop (15.75) A 7 8
den999 checks, Hero bets 10, den999 calls 10.


How is a shove on the flop?

comments on how i would play?

What if the turn is a club?

Samba

Shove on the flop is poor imo you only really get called by flopped flushes and maybe lower sets (which are far more unlikely)

On a club turn, if villain checks, check behind. Be sure to shout at your monitor for the board to pair on the river (this is proven to increase the odds of this occurring)

If villain bets a club turn it's going to be very hard to call any bet as the bet is likely to price us out of the pot.

dvdfan

This is a very tough hand and id be very interested in the replies and im sure therell be a wide variety of whats the best play.

Theres very few hands that you beat that would call a push on that flop or turn, maybe K of clubs and AK is so unlikely since theres 3 Aces already out there so theres really only 1 hand that you beat that might call you.

I wouldnt be overly worried about the made flush as its much more likely he has KK-JJ here giving hes stats but if you dont bet/push you could be letting him outdraw you so i like just a 3/4 pot bet on flop as you did. Once you get to the turn if you bet you must push but again whats going to call you that you beat so it such a hard decision.

If turn is a club and he pushes its a very tough decision, i played a pot just a while ago where i had KK on a 4 flush low board and he pushed when the 4th club arrived on the turn in a decent size pot that was 3betted preflop and i folded and he showed MP.

Your going to be getting 2.5/1 if he pushes and theres about a 2/1 chance that the board will pair so its a marginal call epsecially since he could be bluffing on this board. So i would probably take your line in betting the flop as KK-JJ might well call here and re-evaluate the turn and maybe give him the option of bluffing the turn because even if he has the made flush you have odds to call.

if he checks the turn i would check to and see what the river brings, if the board pairs push and if not make a small value bet maybe.

Edit// Wrong calculations, your only getting 2/1 on the all not 2.5/1 so its even more marginal

Ace2007

tough spot. maybe checkin on the flop, cause if he check raises you, its going to be very dear to c the turn/river... + checkin on the flop keeps the pot small and you can controll it..

phantom_lord

bet the flop, if another club comes check behind or call anything less than a 2/3 pot bet, wait for the board to pair.

profit.

RedJoker

I bet 12 on flop and push a non club turn.

If club hits I check behind or call a small bet thats giving me the odds to draw.

If it was checked through on a 4 flush turn I'm checking or folding the river. Betting the river is interesting as you may get low flushes to fold but I don't think you'll get 2 pair type hands to call you (you never know though) so it's just a bluff in my view when you have some showdown value.

RoadSweeper

Thanks for the replys lads, i was hoping for a non club turn obv and probally would have pushed.
But as it came i still had hope for the board to pair.

But alas the 6 wasnt a helpful card either lol.

Althought i dont think TT or 55 was in his range or JT

Turn (35.75) 9
den999 checks, Hero checks.

River (35.75) 6
den999 bets 20

dvdfan

phantom_lord wrote:

bet the flop, if another club comes check behind or call anything less than a 2/3 pot bet, wait for the board to pair.

profit.

When you say less than 2/3 pot even if he bets 1/2 pot that will leave only around $17 left behind and the pot will be $65+ on the river and we cant really fold with top set on the river as we will be getting like 5/1 on the call if he pushes for his final $17 so would we not call more than 2/3 of the pot on the turn because calling the turn is essentially putting us all in?

Ace2007

gotta fold now - 6789A and 4 clubs ur only beatin a bluff....

phantom_lord

sorry i'm just up, i thought it was 65 effective. maybe i should have said less that 1/2 pot, i'd fold topset if he pushes the river with 4 to a flush even getting 5/1 anyway tho.

valor

shoving the flop would be retarded, $10 is fine. as played id probably spite call, but it should be a fold

RoadSweeper

Ace2007 wrote:

gotta fold now - 6789A and 4 clubs ur only beatin a bluff....

yes, but i have induced bluff too...

Theresalwaysone

Ten is fine, I would never shove on the flop. Your pushing out worse hands and only getting called by better ones most of the time. Except possibly lower sets.

On a non club turn, bet 2/3-3/4 of pot again, if he just flat calls, you know your in trouble.

be cautious and check/call or check/fold river.

BrandonBlock

Fold on the river, you know you're beaten against a 20/7.2

RoadSweeper

Results

River (35.75) 6
den999 bets 20, 1 fold

den999 shows K K

den999 wins 55.75 with One pair, King

BrandonBlock

Well I didn't see that coming anyway! Odd player.

cooker3

Yeah I love his call on the ace high flop without any clubs. Nice

Tar.Aldarion

He was planning to take it away from you, the cunning fox!