Backspin problem

Kingdom

Hi
Seeing as there is no p+p forum I figured I would post this here.
I'm a P+P player and the past few months I've been suffering terribly from backspin. I use a Pro V1 ball and love them but on any type of a soft day I'm guarenteed to spin 5 feet plus.

My swing and stance are solid and I'm not in the habit of changing them. So its more a ball issue. Does anyone have any they can recommend?

slumped

titleist nxt balls are designed to spin less afaik

S

copacetic

the prov1 is a high spin ball, just pick a lower spin one. basically most cheaper balls would spin a lot less. Not sure why you would use prov1 for pitch and putt? The only benefit of such a ball in P&P I can think of is for the spin. You must go through a fair few also? If you don't like it just change to a topflite of something which hardly spins at all. Or something like the NXT will be a halfway house.

madds

ProV1x is a slightly harder version of what you're using, and would not spin as much. Moving to a Top Flite or even a NXT would be a big departure away from the ProV1 in terms of feel, something which is very important in P&P.

Your call though.

FlutterinBantam

ProV1x is your man... thats it... over and out!!!

Macker1

I have'nt played much P&P in recent years but when I was younger I played quite a lot and to a decent standard. Back then one of the most popular balls was " Commando " which was made by Penfold if I recall. These were excellent for control and spin.

I know that Argos used to sell them


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Wigertoods

copacetic wrote:

Not sure why you would use prov1 for pitch and putt? The only benefit of such a ball in P&P I can think of is for the spin.

Prov1 is probably the most popular ball in p&p at the moment.The original commando ball that was so popular is quite difficult to get hold of these days.

As for the spin issue,try the Prov1x as suggested.

Kingdom

Thanks for all the replies guys I think I'll try the ProV1x as I do like the ProV1 but on soft days it can kill me with the spin. Cheers
K.

ShriekingSheet

There's very little difference between the ProV1x and ProV1. Certainly not enough to solve your problem. One of the softer NXTs would let you try something significantly different.

Balls aside, I'd like to know what kind of distance p&p your playing and what club your using for what kinda yardage.

If your smashing a SW 110 yards all day it's obviously going to spin but it's probably not the shot to be hitting. What I mean is it sounds like your playing with lots of loft and hitting it hard. If it was me I'd stick with the ProV and use less loft (PW, 9 iron) with a shorter controlled swing. Because your hitting the ball more smoothly with more club in hand you will generate less spin.

Sure, in p&p there's down hill holes with shallow greens and bunkers in front you've got to fire it up in the air and land it soft but these are the minority and by the sounds of it you have that shot in your locker when needed

Mister Sifter

Christ, the old pitch and putt seems to be a serious business over here!?

I always just thought it was a game for holiday-makers, students and kids.

I sometimes have a quick round of it up at elm green to warm up or to practice with my wedge. Never really bothered with it though.

Are the holes par 2's or par 3's?

Trampas

P&P holes can only be a max length of 70 metres or 77 yards.

SW even LW is your man.

Maybe you are snapping your wrists at impact thus causing extra spin.

I remember generating 15 feet of back spin with a LW I had.

I could reach all the holes but due to the backspin I had to get rid of it.

P&P is huge in ireland. You will find opens every week somewhere within driving distance.

I remember playing on my school holidays playing 4 rounds in the morning and few more after lunch with 2 balls.

The ideal shot would be to land it and stop dead.

If you can have commandoes I heard you can boil the ball in hotwater for a short time which deadened the ball more thus reducing the spin. I think was illegal though

www.ppui.ie if you look to join a club.

Kingdom

I play in PPUI regulation competitions and on PPUI style courses. This would mean courses with distances of maximum 70m. I use a Sand Wedge but at most its 55 degree' loft. Its possibly 54 now that I think of it.
I do break my wrists coming on the downswing but its a tailored style (as most P+P swings / stances!) but this yr has been wetter than any since i've been playing. The swing I have is sound, was really curious moreso with different balls.

Trampas do you play for a PPUI club, or anybodye for that matter?

Trampas

I use to play for Guinness P&P but left a few of years ago as started playing more and more golf.

I have seen some very strange swings and stances in golf.

One thing i always found strange was the height people teed the ball up.

I use to tee if low myself.

I stuck with a 56 degree wedge myself.

Played senior leagues and all

Wigertoods

Yeah I still play quite a lot of p&p with a registered PPUI club.
Played in the National Strokeplay finals that were held in R.G.S.C yesterday.
(Wasn't quite on top form yesterday though).

Most Senior players around the country would be using Sand wedge of some sorts.somewhere between 56 and 60 degree loft.
Again the most popular ball being used is Prov1.Most people would have changed from the old Commando that can't be got anymore.
Newer versions of the original commandos were manufactured and can still be bought in elverys but these are not of the same quality as the originals.

If spin is still such a big problem then why not try a harder case golf ball.
I must admit though they wouldn't be used a lot on the p&p circuit.
But if that's what it takes good luck

Mister Sifter

i'll try again...:D

what's the par on a pitch and putt hole?

Mister Sifter

i'll try again...:D

what's the par on a pitch and putt hole?

comer_97

par 3 on every hole, a lot of people seem to get pitch and putt mixed up with crazy golf and stuff like that (autralian friends of mine do)

Kingdom

Wigertoods wrote:

Yeah I still play quite a lot of p&p with a registered PPUI club.
Played in the National Strokeplay finals that were held in R.G.S.C yesterday.
(Wasn't quite on top form yesterday though).

Most Senior players around the country would be using Sand wedge of some sorts.somewhere between 56 and 60 degree loft.
Again the most popular ball being used is Prov1.Most people would have changed from the old Commando that can't be got anymore.
Newer versions of the original commandos were manufactured and can still be bought in elverys but these are not of the same quality as the originals.

If spin is still such a big problem then why not try a harder case golf ball.
I must admit though they wouldn't be used a lot on the p&p circuit.
But if that's what it takes good luck

What club are you a member of Wiger toods? What were the greens like in RGSC only watched and they seemed slow enough!

Mister Sifter

what score would typically win a p&p event? i normally go round the p&p at Elm Green in around 3-4 under threes.

Trampas

Depends.

If you are around the scratch level. Most opens and national/leinster etc are all over 54 holes. Opens are best 3 cards.

You want to be looking at least 20 under gross.

Where as nationals are 36 holes to qualify. Over a different weekend then 36 holes on the final with top 12 going through another 18 holes in the afternoon.

My best ever was 21 under by finising off the last 33 holes bogey free. 24 birdies, 3 bogies and 27 pars.

dardoz

guys, there's a golf shop in Deansgrange Business Park that sells commando balls in packs of 3.

dardoz

..double post...sorry

Mister Sifter

Trampas wrote:

Depends.

If you are around the scratch level. Most opens and national/leinster etc are all over 54 holes. Opens are best 3 cards.

You want to be looking at least 20 under gross.

Where as nationals are 36 holes to qualify. Over a different weekend then 36 holes on the final with top 12 going through another 18 holes in the afternoon.

My best ever was 21 under by finising off the last 33 holes bogey free. 24 birdies, 3 bogies and 27 pars.

crikey, that's some going! i must have a go at 54 holes one day and see how i get on.

do people who play p&p seriously play golf also or do they usually just stick to one or the other? i'd say it would sharpen up my short game big time.

sorry for so many questions, i just don;'t know a thing about p&p , but i'm intrigued.

Wigertoods

Kingdom wrote:

What club are you a member of Wiger toods? What were the greens like in RGSC only watched and they seemed slow enough!

I'm a member of CYMC/LC in fairview.
As for the greens in RGSC,they were slower than would be normal for a national final.Still they were quite true.

@ graeme1982
I still manage to play a little golf,but not as seriously as p&p.
From my experience people who play p&p normally have quite a good short game on the golf course but golfers who take up p&p to improve their short game don't seem to get the same results

ShriekingSheet

Wigertoods wrote:

From my experience people who play p&p normally have quite a good short game on the golf course but golfers who take up p&p to improve their short game don't seem to get the same results

I'll second that. I'm not bad from inside 100 yds on a golf course and am well able to scramble. But man, I'm absolutely despicable at pitch and putt! :L

Kingdom

Wigertoods wrote:

I'm a member of CYMC/LC in fairview.
As for the greens in RGSC,they were slower than would be normal for a national final.Still they were quite true.

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What do you make of the Dublin team Wigertoods? I think they picked the wrong Clondalkin man. Nobody from Cy this year, a few years since that happened.

Wigertoods

@ Kingdom
Some big changes on the dublin team.
I think that the cpm were hard done by to be honest.
The one that did get the pick was only 6th man.A bit harsh being dublin champion and coming second in the "trial" scratch cup in Erin's isle.
As for no cy person there,none of us deserved it to be honest.No real consistency with any of us.Hopefully next year.
I still think we have our work cut out if we are to beat cork in their own back yard so to speak.

Kingdom

@Wigertoods
What did yyou make of the Dublin selection process this yr?> They kind of half committed to trials and half didn't really!
We had looked at the possibilities and came up with the following
Derek Courtney
George McGreal
Eoin Mithen
Darren O'Reilly
Philip Byrne
and then a toss up between Fred/Junior/Skinner for the last spot.
Everyone is playing for 2nd in the national behind cork as far as I'm concerned. The Leinster is very open too. Anyone of Dublin Offaly Meath or Louth could win it.

Wigertoods

Quite true kingdom.They were a bit confused alright.certain events were performance related to the picking of the team but yet the selectors still decided that they could dismiss these if they like.

Point of example the dublin matchplay and the erin's isle scratch cup were highlighted as "trials".fred wins one and comes second in the other and still only gets 6th spot.

I can't see why they don't have certain events listed as trials and still have 2 wild cards to pick from.It seems the fairest way and I'd say Dublin is one of the only counties not to have trials.
Before the N/S I think 3 players were already decided on.Dereck,skinner and fred.
I think the N/S played a big part in the selection and that's why Darren missed out.I'd agree totally that the Leinster is up for grabs and we're playing for second if not third in the Nationals.

bogmanfan

Just saw Commando balls in the Elvery's downstairs in Clery's. €5 for a pack of 3.