Omaha Tourney Hand

BigCityBanker

Effective Stacks $55k, blinds 1k/2k and you limp in lp with

AdJd9s9c

3 people see a flop (button + bb)

Flop KsQs10h

BB checks, you bet 5k, button calls and the BB CR's to 25k.

you fold.

thoughts.

jbravado

While admitedly a ohmadness simpelton I just dont get this argument-do we have to put someone on nuts freerolling the spades to make this Ok?.....tear me to shreds.....what sort of a dog are we against set with some sort of flush draw?
I never know just how much you should be gambling in omaha...

Lazare

Omaha simpleton here too, but this is just bananas! A blocker with the 9s too!

WTF happened here? Who played this hand?

Killme00

I would plan to check call this flop against tight opponents and reassess on the turn.

Im not sure im man enough to fold though..this will be interesting reading.

insafehands

I don't get it, we have the nuts?

jbravado

Calling isnt an option surely.....I know we have only have 5k in but folding the nuts......if he has kk random spades were what 40-60 dog?The thing is we HAVE to put him on such a small range to fold yeah?-surely he could have the bare nuts aswell.Any advanced opinions out there?

sikes

I know very little about omaha but, depending on the opp, we could always up against the nuts, and he might have the nut flush redraw. so you are going to be getting 48k in to split the 13k or whatever. but sometimes he will have the nut flush draw too, so this can be certainly be folded.

imalegend

if you dont get it go to cardplayer.com and run the hand through the omaha odds calculater.

You have the nuts with no re draw so you are actually behind a hand like a set with a flush draw.

Lafortezza

Cash PLO hand, blinds $1/$2, we have $55 and limp we are in lp with

AdJd9s9c

3 people see a flop (button + bb)

Flop KsQs10h

BB checks, you bet $5, button calls and the BB CR's to $25.

I don't think it makes much of a difference that this is a tourney instead of a cash game with stacks so shallow so you're not deep enough to fold this.
If Villain is a total nit and can only be c/ring with the nuts or nuts+redraw then I might think about folding. But I probably wouldn't.

If a set plus gutshot or 2pair+flush draw is within Villains range then autocall every time.

Lazare

sikes wrote:

I know very little about omaha but, depending on the opp, we could always up against the nuts, and he might have the nut flush redraw. so you are going to be getting 48k in to split the 13k or whatever. but sometimes he will have the nut flush draw too, so this can be certainly be folded.

Hero in this hand seems weak tight given his play on both streets, would the BB not have a wide enough range to CR here? Although with the button involved maybe not. As I said, I'm an omaha retard, maybe some experts might justify it.

phantom_lord

even with my limited knowledge of yamaha I know you can be behind with the nuts here, but surely whoever's playing the hand is too short for folding to be correct?

Chucky the tree

board: KsQsTh
Hand Pot equity WinsTies
AdJd9s9c 34.65% 147,775 25,892
*s*s** 26.97% 116,141 17,996
KK** 38.38% 173,504 8,989


Against AsJh*s* your 20% favourite. So it looks like the best you can hope for is being a 34% 2nd favourite.

Chucky the tree

Lazare wrote:

Hero in this hand seems weak tight given his play on both streets, would the BB not have a wide enough range to CR here? Although with the button involved maybe not. As I said, I'm an omaha retard, maybe some experts might justify it.

Why weak? He's bet 5k into a 7k pot?

NeoSlicerZ

From my very limited omaha experience, I think this is foldable. Looks like you're at best going to split, my guess is that BB has something along the lines of AsJxXsXx. The board pairing +/ a spade means you're drawing dead. Worst case is that you have to avoid 13 cards then 17 on turn and river.

Hectorjelly

yeah my initial thought was the stacks are too shallow to get away from the hand.

Lazare

Chucky the tree wrote:

Why weak? He's bet 5k into a 7k pot?

Pre flop - limp.
flop - bet fold with 24BB behind.

Chucky the tree

Lazare wrote:

Pre flop - limp.
flop - bet fold with 25BB behind.

But Villan doesnt know we have folded, so you cant count the fold as to a reason he his check-raising us with a wider range since we appear weak.

I dont think the pre-flop limp is too bad. Can you really raise this hand with 25bb? I dont think so as any raise wiill cripple you and the in omaha risking your the whole of your stack before you see a flop is crazy i think.

Lazare

Chucky the tree wrote:

But Villan doesnt know we have folded, so you cant count the fold as to a reason he his check-raising us with a wider range since we appear weak.

I dont think the pre-flop limp is too bad. Can you really raise this hand with 25bb? I dont think so as any raise wiill cripple you and the in omaha risking your the whole of your stack before you see a flop is crazy i think.

I said he seems weak tight by the way he played this hand, so presumably this is his image.

How would a standard raise preflop cripple you?

Chucky the tree

Lazare wrote:

I said he seems weak tight by the way he played this hand, so presumably this is his image.

How would a standard raise preflop cripple you?

Cripple might be a drastic, but it certainly isnt beneficial. Raising 8k with a mid pocket pair and soooted AJ when you have a stack of 56k doesnt seem smart.


I think it just puts you in a **** position on the flop. If BB thought we were weak, why didnt he try take it pre-flop?

5starpool

Ooooh, I know how this one goes, and I know where BCB gets the HH from too

There are times when I should have got away from the bare nuts in Omaha, but I don't really think this would be one of them. As stated we are very shallow here. Cash game where we are deeper may well be worth stronger consideration.

BigCityBanker

5starpool wrote:

Ooooh, I know how this one goes, and I know where BCB gets the HH from too

ha ha!! Its an interesting article isnt it? Il post up the results later. The hero in the Hand is Todd Brunson and its from the $5k with rebuys WSOP tournament.

Kobraki

Leaning towards a fold here myself... Best case scenario, BB has bare nuts also, and Button has just the nut flush draw. Assuming we push and they both call, we have a 60% cance of winning 85k, whereas if we fold we have 50k. Basically this scenario is slightly profitable, but its best cast scenario. Worst case Scenario you're up against AsJsxx and KKxx making you a 16% chance of winning 85k... getting 1.7/1 on your money this is clearly a very bad spot. I think the only way i find a call (push) in this hand is if BB only C/R's with draws, and button was a donk liable to call with 2 pr or something.

Bandara

without any info being giving on the player we're facing, I'm folding here and looking for for a better spot

Lazare

I agree with the previous two posters, I also confidently fold now that I've seen Todd Brunson did it.

Killme00

Just to clarify my original post - I would not open the betting on the flop, i would check call a pot sized flop bet. I would not open the betting because you cannot call a reraise, you can only repump and you would be behind. Your hand will become much more powerful on the turn if you can avoid the many many scare cards, so surely it is better to wait till then to get your money in. This is not one of those cases where it is right to get your money in slightly ahead because you have no redraw whatsoever.

LuckyLloyd

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RoundTower

raise preflop, flop is OK depending on reads on villain.

kryogen

i raise this hand pre flop, as played a fold is ok, depending on reads....