The irrelevence of showdown value

NickyOD

In a $1-$2 game you are playing 3 handed. Both your opponents are complete idiots and serial min raises and when the table was six haned were playing 50-60% of their hands. Now they are playing every hand.

Button 55/20/8 min raises to $4. He does this every button. I make it $18 with KcKh. He calls.

The flop is Ac-Tc-7h.

How do I play the hand?

Captain Tom

check/call flop check/evaluate turn. any reads on villians post flop tendancies?

DeVore

Bet out. (and move up levels).

DeV.

NickyOD

Ok take the two lines mentioned.

1) You bet out $20. He calls. You're done with hand. No question.

2) You check, but he doesn't bet, he checks behind. Leading the turn now would be very bad so you must check again. He bets $24. Do you call?

sikes

How has he reacted to three bets in the past from you? What are the stacks and whats the turn card? Leading the turn wouldnt be very bad at all, its a draw heavy board our hand needs protection, depending on how he plays post flop, the chance of an A in his hand is greatly reduced and we can get value off weaker made hands too.

NickyOD

sikes wrote:

How has he reacted to three bets in the past from you? What are the stacks and whats the turn card? Leading the turn wouldnt be very bad at all, its a draw heavy board our hand needs protection, depending on how he plays post flop, the chance of an A in his hand is greatly reduced and we can get value off weaker made hands too.

Well he is 54/20 so he calls 3 bets with a huge range especially on the button.

ianmc38

betting is bad unless they will call bets on all streets with a ten. going by the description of the villains, neither of them are ever going to fold an ace that they have called your PFR with. I check call and reevaulate.