Standard KK line check (low content)

LuckyLloyd

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Chucky the tree

Stick up the stack sizes next time in your op.

I'd raise the flop, i hate flat calling a donk-bet, makes me look weak and i am always lost on what to do on late streets as i never know where i am in the hand.

As played i'd bet the turn, but if i raise the flop and he flat calls i am happy to check behind on the turn.

River is hard, it could be doing this as a steal attempt since you look weeak by just flat calling the flop and checking the turn. He might but you on jacks or something, but since you know his game well its hard for anyone to say if your river is good or bad.

But, if he thinks you very tight, what does he think you have when you call his donk bet on the turn? Would you call with AK?

Captain Tom

bet the turn.

also i call river.

cardshark202

Raise the flop. I make it 2300 and call a push. Since you didn't, I would bet the turn. You played this hand very badly. Why are you slowplaying an overpair vs Mick there? This really is terrible imo.

LuckyLloyd

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Ste05

Yep, just raise the flop and see what he does, calling a push. The turn is pretty good card for you, if he had an OESD on the flop, he now has a pair to go with it and again I'd bet intending on calling a CRAI.

On the River, calling is best, I'd think a Q is a large part of his range, but because of the history it's a pretty easy call.

Then improve the auld confidence and just play straight forward and embrace the Variance

Gus Ivey

Bet the turn. U must be ahead on the turn , no point in giving him a free card

LuckyLloyd

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Gus Ivey

LuckyLloyd wrote:

The turn brings some potential back - door draws so, yes I should bet. That said, I should probably bet or raise somewhere right?

FWIW, I was miles behind on the turn. Results based thinking FTW, etc.

i like the smooth call on the flop it disguises your hand beautifully. But I am then looking to bet(looking to take pot) on the turn , or raise a bet.

were u behind on the turn? did he bet his gut shot draw on the flop?

what does FWIW and FTW mean BTW?

Ace2007

raise flop and bet turn...

LuckyLloyd

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Theresalwaysone

The turn check from him was suspicious. I don't think you would be right to check behind here to most players but to this villain I think your instincts were right and you followed em.

Saved yourself a fair bit.

Edit: Just seen the results.

Washout

cardshark202 wrote:

Raise the flop. I make it 2300 and call a push. Since you didn't, I would bet the turn. You played this hand very badly. Why are you slowplaying an overpair vs Mick there? This really is terrible imo.

I like.

Llyod i think i play tighter than you but mick has me down as laggy. ( i think he only knows me from rebuy touries though) so his player reading skills are poor at best

LuckyLloyd

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modmuffin

I raise the flop to something like 1900. Mick is liable to donk off his whole stack with any queen, any underpair, 67 etc if he "senses weakness"
You dont really need to disguise your hand against mick cos he'll pay you off anyway

If you had bet the turn would you have called a shove?
If the river was a complete brick what was your plan?

As played i call the river btw.

LuckyLloyd

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ditpoker

lloyd... really.... !?

1. you dont want to bet the flop cos Mick is happy to play for stacks with top pair?!?!! let him!! get them in, if he outdraws put €20 on red and hope to get a free taxi home!

2. you did not want to get check raised on the turn? why, because if he check raises u fold to his monster? because if u bet and he folds you win the hand!?

lloyd... really!?

(ps: ****** sucks!) why am i need allowed type "ox3gen" ?

Ste05

ditpoker wrote:

(ps: ****** sucks!) why am i need allowed type "ox3gen" ?

I'd say it's due to the STRICT rule regarding No discussion about a certain concert promoter or any of their events.

End of that discussion please.

Cheers.

Ste05

Macspower

I saw this hand yesterday and ment to reply...... I now know results but it doesn't change my opinon..

I think you played the hand fine and went with your gut on the turn....

I like the turn check as it gives you the oportunity of calling his almost guaranteed river bet and seeing a relatively cheap showdown... you lost the min with one pair... wp i say

LuckyLloyd

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ditpoker

LuckyLloyd wrote:

FFS. You have completely misinterpreted my thought process. I haven't flatcalled because I'm afraid of playing for stacks against top - pair. I've flatcalled because he could have lead with ATC and I would like him to throw some chips in my direction with an over - aggressive multi - barrell bluff.

I haven't flatcalled because of some stupid TLS fear factor.




My thinking was that if I am betting the turn I will find it very difficult to call a check - raise. I have fully expected him to just bet out again on a bluff. Players like Mick would try to check - raise a huge hand here getting tricky.

My thinking was that I am WA / WB - if I bet I put myself in a situation where I go broke when I've been done and just fold out air type hands that I will catch a river bluff with.



Not saying my thought processes were correct - but they were a hell of a lot more developed than your above post. I know it's fun to jump on me when I donk it up - but please try a different angle.

my thinking with AA, KK and maybe QQ, is that i have a HUGE hand preflop... if i'm going to let my opponent see a turn and a river its gonna cost him. AA on at the river is as good as A2 on an Axx,x,x board. if you want to play a small pot with AA or KK then the way you played it is... somewhere near ok... if you want to play a big pot with AA or KK... do it preflop and at the latest on the flop.

i know mick to be spewy but he's not gonna keep firing bluffs on each street.

RE the turn and the uneasyness regarding a checkraise, stick the bet in, IF he does check raise u u can muck ur hand and lose a small pot with 1 pair. if he folds, u win a small pot with one pair.

and most importantly... STOP WITH THE "TLA"'s!!!!

BigCityBanker

With said villians in the hand I make it more to play preflop - I generally open to 225 in level 1 of this or similar tournies. After limpers I add 50 each = 325. Then I consider who the limpers are and add on a little more. They are so spewy you need to help them to magnify their mistakes. I dont think 400 is a bad amount preflop. Of course this is very dependent on said villians and not an amount id advocate in normal circumstances.

On the flop I get jiggy and make him pay. Your not necessarily trying to make him fold a hand you beat - you are simply assisting him in making his by now common postflop mistakes.