Spanish kids on buses.

Pigman II

Seriously what is the situation there? Was coming home on the buse from after a hard days work yesterday on the bus about 20 or so of these students invade the top deck of the bus. They proceed to go thru their usual boistrous shouting session for a good 40 minutes and even with my mp3 player turned up to max I could still hear the chatter bleeding thru to my now bleeding eardrums.

Now despite the intense racket they were causing (and I mean *intense*. I've been to rock concerts where it wasn't as bad) the noise wasn't the main thing that was catching my attention. What primarily concerned me was the safety aspect of the situation.

For this journey I noted:
1) 4 kids sitting on one front row bench (they were soon to sitting to standing - for a better view of the city presumably.)
2) Another half-dozen or so kids standing for the whole trip in the upstairs corridor
3) 2 more kids standing in the stairwell.

Now you could blame the driver for tolerating this but then would you expect anything more from a Dublin bus driver?

To my knowledge these kids have been coming here for over 20 years now you'd think it'd have been possible for the schools that teach them English not also teach them a bit of ettiquette for when traveling on public transport? It'd be doing the kids (safetywise), the image of their country (manners-wise) and least of all my eardrums a big favour!

As a matter of interest do these language schools routinely warn theses kids how to behave on buses? Judging by the behaviour I witnesses yesterday I'd have to presume not. But if schools do their bit then I retract all the above and gleefully look forward toone of them go thru a windscreen next week.

electric69

walk down the stairs and sit there.....

Snake Plisken

I suggest you buy a better MP3 player with good quality earplug headphones! Have you never been on a bus with people standing in the isles or in the staircase? I find the spanish students better behaved then some of the irish scangger kids who get on buses spit smoke and are abusive on some of the buses I've been on. Also are u sure pigman they were Spanish and not Italian?

Snake

BlueSpiral

We seem to be the source of it, I walked up to my friends house the other day, which is only over a mile and must have seen about 100 Spanish students with all their matching bag on the way. Most of them are ok, but some of them can be down right ignorant and very rude.

They unfortunately started to annoy the hell out of one of my very easily agitated friends the other day, so he sprinted towards them to scare them, to which all of them, boys included, screamed and ran off.

They ran off a bit, stopped and just looked at us for a while. Then they started singing.

j4vier

i used to take them around for a school on certain places and we generally had to get the ordinary bus. its impossible to make them behave , most of them couldnt even understand me( or acted like they didnt).
the problem is that these groups are genereally huge so that makes them uncontrollable

Snake Plisken

I hate this fXcking knocking of Spanish/Italian students, we send enough irish scumbag teens out to the spanish resorts to vomit piss puke fight all over the resorts in Spain, so just because a couple of students annoy you, they are not coming up to u and threatening you or stealing from you, they are only young kids, I agree that schools and families need to provide more activities for them, but to dis them just because they use the ****e public transport in this country is unacceptable

Snake

eth0_

Where are their teachers? These kids are all under 16 and yet they are allowed wander around causing extreme irritation to the residents of this city!

They are so incredibly rude these kids, I have been asked several times by them how to use the luas machine and never once heard an 'excuse me' or 'thank you', and twice had their english textbook thrust at me with them pointing at something. all the while they are crowded round the machines preventing people from buying tickets.

Yellow Snow

BlueSpiral wrote:

Most of them are ok, but some of them can be down right ignorant and very rude.

Totally agree,

For the most part they're fine. I mean sure they are noisey and there can be some MASSIVE groups of them going around together but thats what groups of kids are like!! If you put a group of 50 scum Irish teenagers on a bus in Spain or wherever (you know the ones... lets smoke on the bus and call anyone who decides to speak up a "f***ing w***er who should mind their own business"... if this fails, threaten to stab them!!) i'm sure it would be hell for other countries and give Ireland a nice reputation to boot.

But... there are some seriously rude Spanish kids. I was catching a bus last week on one of the days it was p**sing buckets of rain. Some old dear was making her way onto the bus when a group of five or six kids (guys and girls) nearly took her head off running past her. She dropped her bus pass under the bus and nearly fell herself. Now i'm not one to make comments in public to a**holes but I couldn't help it... After picking up her pass and seeing if she was ok I followed the kids to the back of the bus (it was a single deck bus) and started yelling at the guy that bumped her...Got a round of applause from a few of the others on the bus he didn't understand a word of my rant i'm sure... He went the brightest shade of red i have ever seen though... and there wasn't a peep out of any of them the rest of the journey!

I won't brand all of them with the same brush but some of them are ignorant little f**ks who need some manners slapped into them. They should be shaperoned around at all times, might make them a bit more bareable??

eth0_

j4vier wrote:

i used to take them around for a school on certain places and we generally had to get the ordinary bus. its impossible to make them behave , most of them couldnt even understand me( or acted like they didnt).
the problem is that these groups are genereally huge so that makes them uncontrollable

With a name like Javier..are you Spanish yourself? Why do they not have their spanish teachers with them? What sort of organisation is running these schemes where they let crowds of badly behaved, obnoxious and UNACCOMPANIED teenagers wander round a strange city on their own?

Snake Plisken

eth0_ wrote:

Where are their teachers? These kids are all under 16 and yet they are allowed wander around causing extreme irritation to the residents of this city!

They are so incredibly rude these kids, I have been asked several times by them how to use the luas machine and never once heard an 'excuse me' or 'thank you', and twice had their english textbook thrust at me with them pointing at something. all the while they are crowded round the machines preventing people from buying tickets.

Learn some basic Spanish, they probably said Gracias to you but you didn't pick it up.

tallus

I'd prefer listening to spanish students chatter than any of our home grown scumbags on a bus anytime

empirix

The key word here is "kids" and then you can add holiday to that - noisey yes but their only having some fun, slightly irritating but i'd rather them than a lot of the other wretches we find on on the buses these days.

OfflerCrocGod

Yellow Snow wrote:

He went the brightest shade of red i have ever seen though... and there wasn't a peep out of any of them the rest of the journey!

You do that to a group of Irish "ignorant little f**ks" and they won't be blushing but you will be looking for your teeth though.

Yellow Snow wrote:

I won't brand all of them with the same brush but some of them are ignorant little f**ks who need some manners slapped into them. They should be shaperoned around at all times, might make them a bit more bareable??

Blitzkrieger

j4vier wrote:

these groups are genereally huge

I think the technical term for a group of spanish kids is a ****load. You never seem to see less than 20 of them with identical coats/backpacks at a time, always loud, annoying and in the way. I like to think that it's because they genuinely don't know better........

Yellow Snow

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

You do that to a group of Irish "ignorant little f**ks" and they won't be blushing but you will be looking for your teeth though.

tou ché

Tha Gopher

A more concering issue is why are 17 year old Spaniards so fine but ones in their late 20s so rough?

Snake Plisken

again Gopher, all the students go back and the only Spanish to really stick the weather here are the not so goodlooking Girls from the North of Spain, and most of them seem to get a job in your company by the looks of it

Snake

Zaph

Snake Plisken wrote:

Also are u sure pigman they were Spanish and not Italian?

In my experience the Italian kids are a lot quieter and better behaved.

What I think the real problem is is that the kids coming over have been getting progressively younger and younger for years. When I was a kid and we had students they were all at least 15 or 16, now the Spanish students seem to be as young as 9 or 10. Any large group of kids that age, no matter what country they're from, will be loud and boisterous. The Italians seem to be a couple of years older, and that may be the reason they're a little more considerate to those around them.

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is_that_so

That's pretty much the way they are and they wouldn't really see anything wrong if challenged. Although a good "a callar" (shut up/be quiet) (pronunciation a kayar) or basta ya (enough already!) might shock them. It's not actually up to the schools to teach them. In fact the schools can struggle to even get them to speak in English for part of the day.

Many Spanish teenagers are offloaded in the same way kids here get packed off to the Gaeltacht or some summer camp/project thing.

Spanish life is lived loudly and out on the street. As for sitting on the street , well seeing as McDonalds won't let them sit 7 to to an empty cup they have to go somewhere. Yet again an indication of the lack of facilities.

Turner

As somebody already said Irish students act much worse when on exchange trips.

fighting, puking, getting pissed, and stealing comes to mind.

Trotter

eth0_ wrote:

Where are their teachers?

Probably at home! Teachers teach.. they dont do bus crowd control in the evenings.. usually!!

The tour companies usually send over group leaders with the students.. the teachers just do the language bit in the classrooms. Its the guides that are supposed to "mind" them after that.

Its frustrating when "Where are their teachers" usually pops up! After a day teaching Italian and Spanish teenagers, I used to be home shaking and wondering was it September yet!

Not surprisingly.. I dont teach the Italians and Spanish anymore. Too much of a herd mentality!, and VERY hard to manage in classrooms.

InFront

Pigman II wrote:

Seriously what is the situation there? Was coming home on the buse from after a hard days work yesterday on the bus about 20 or so of these students invade the top deck of the bus. They proceed to go thru their usual boistrous shouting session for a good 40 minutes and even with my mp3 player turned up to max I could still hear the chatter bleeding thru to my now bleeding eardrums.

I think the red part might be the cause of the noise. When have you ever heard 20 quiet students on a bus? The only difference between Spanish students and Irish students is that Irish students aren't holidaying or studying over here on school trips and don't tend to travel around in groups of 20 or more.

Karl Hungus

You think a bus trip is bad, try spending an 8 hour flight with 'em.

nesf

Large groups of kids of any nationality will be annoying, noisy and rude in general, especially if they aren't actively supervised.

MooseJam

I've no complaints, some of them are pretty good eye candy

Mikeyt086

I just dont like how they swarm Grafton Street in their 1000's, i mean trying to buy a DVD in HMV these days is like a scene out of 300.

And going down the N11 there was at least 40 at every busstop on the way.

Madness.

Sonnenblumen

Pigman II wrote:

Seriously what is the situation there? Was coming home on the buse from after a hard days work yesterday on the bus about 20 or so of these students invade the top deck of the bus. They proceed to go thru their usual boistrous shouting session for a good 40 minutes and even with my mp3 player turned up to max I could still hear the chatter bleeding thru to my now bleeding eardrums.

Now despite the intense racket they were causing (and I mean *intense*. I've been to rock concerts where it wasn't as bad) the noise wasn't the main thing that was catching my attention. What primarily concerned me was the safety aspect of the situation.

For this journey I noted:
1) 4 kids sitting on one front row bench (they were soon to sitting to standing - for a better view of the city presumably.)
2) Another half-dozen or so kids standing for the whole trip in the upstairs corridor
3) 2 more kids standing in the stairwell.

Now you could blame the driver for tolerating this but then would you expect anything more from a Dublin bus driver?

To my knowledge these kids have been coming here for over 20 years now you'd think it'd have been possible for the schools that teach them English not also teach them a bit of ettiquette for when traveling on public transport? It'd be doing the kids (safetywise), the image of their country (manners-wise) and least of all my eardrums a big favour!

As a matter of interest do these language schools routinely warn theses kids how to behave on buses? Judging by the behaviour I witnesses yesterday I'd have to presume not. But if schools do their bit then I retract all the above and gleefully look forward toone of them go thru a windscreen next week.

I just cringe when I see such embarrassing and moronic moaning.

Basq

I have to coin in on this.... used to go to go on a bus during the Summer last year. Just so happened i work by a Summer camp and the bus was always full of Spanish students.

I thank Christ for my MP3 Player (which even at full blast) could not compete with the noise emission from a group of Spanish students!

Fad

theyre worse in burger kind, i saw them putting the trays in to the bin,

and of course they eat their young in spain

Irjudge1

I think we should close our national borders to all johnny foreigners, comin over here with their noisy mouths and singing an' stuff. Furthermore all children below the legal drinking age i.e 15 and younger should be locked up.:D

Snake Plisken

Sonnenblumen wrote:

I just cringe when I see such embarrassing and moronic moaning.

I agree with you bordering on Racism, and this is against the kids of a old member of an EU.

Kids are kids, if they are in a gang then you are going to get noise, so stop moaning just because you can't listen to fcuking Daniel O'Donnell on your mp3 player.

Snake

Blackpitts

seriously guys, take any of the nitelinks bus after 3am in the morning during the weekend and you will see that just one Irish kid can be more annoying than a bunch of foreigner students...

Raekwon

Blackpitts wrote:

seriously guys, take any of the nitelinks bus after 3am in the morning during the weekend and you will see that just one Irish kid can be more annoying than a bunch of foreigner students...

That is a ridiculous comment to make. When you get a Nitelink bus after 3am it is pretty much expected to hear various levels of loud drunken banter. You cannot compare it to 20+ foreign students screaming and shouting (and taking up 2 seats per person) in the middle of the day.

AdMMM

I'm surprised that a lot of the people are blaming the teachers and the group leaders! The organisers can't be and aren't expected to arrange transport from every students house, instead they usually have transport to and from the school from central locations. It is up to the host families to provide transport to and from the pick up areas. The families are made aware of this prior to agreeing to take in a student.

Also regarding the amount of noise they make, I think it's fair to say that any large group of children travelling together would be as boisterous. When our school went on an exchange a few years a go we ran amok around the the small village that we were all staying in because at that age it feels great to be able to run around a strange place with freedom that I would never have had at home!