STOP, Thief!

Jesus Wept

Primewise wrote:

He may be a tricky player and has been bullying people off pots' from http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=53544758#post53544758

The above quote is from the OP of a different thread in the forum, which reminded me of something I have encountered, discussed with some friends who have had similar experiences, but I have never posted about, till now.

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I think the world bullying should be abolished if the person is referring to the act of 'bluffing'.

There are a breed of players I have encountered while playing live that seem to literally take offense when someone is bluffing, they get riled up, and often challenge you on it/berate you for it, give you the evil eye, mutter and talk to their neighbours at the table (and friends who are railing them), inform everyone they can find and attempt to garner a collective 'lets GET him' mentality at the table.

They get really worked up, they look angry, they look like their blood pressure and heart rate are way above standard, they talk angry, and they go banana's celebrating if they call you down and you are bluffing, and tell everyone that they 'got you/caught you', and they celebrate it in an aggressive little angry, letting off steam manner.

It's like cops and robbers, they seem to think anyone who is bluffing is cheating, and being underhand.

They seem to draw similarities (++ intensely similarities ++) between you bluffing them/attempting to bluff them, and you pushing them around in a real world sense.

They will forever treat you like you have actually bullied them/started a conflict with them in a real world sense/attempted to pick their pocket, and generally treat you like you are a terrible person (and encourage everyone else who listens to do likewise).

I find I often play against at least one of these types most times I play a live tournament.

It kind of makes for a bit of sh1tty atmosphere at the table, as it they turn it into more of a personal conflict than the game that it is, and all the other players at the table become uncomfortable bystanders, apart from the ones that join the ranks of their angry little 'let's get him' alliance.

They are often a similar demographic/personality type.

Does anyone else suffer these neanderthals?
Or are they reserved for me

Ste05

LOL, why do you care if someone is tilting...

It is bullying, "bullies" aren't always bluffing, if you can't handle the fish acting like morons maybe you'd rather a different pasttime, possibly tiddlywinks??

Believe it or not, the whole table is always out to "get you", if some moron doesn't have a clue or is overly aggressive that's his problem, it's not because the word "Bullying" is used to describe running over a table...

Sorry, couldn't help myself, but I love it when people get riled up like this, think they're ever making rational decisions??

sock.rocker*

good post.

is their reaction to ur bluffing an indication that they never bluff? cause then thats a massive read if they raise/re-raise.. i only thought of it like that now. interesting

Jesus Wept

Ste05 wrote:

LOL, why do you care if someone is tilting...

It is bullying

erm, It's not bullying, it's poker.

Ste05 wrote:

if you can't handle the fish acting like morons maybe you'd rather a different pasttime, possibly tiddlywinks??

erm. Bit confrontational and inane? I think you need a siesta Ste, go take a nap.

I'm just starting a thread on something I've witnessed. Don't get upset.

I'm far from riled up about it, I've never posted on it because it's something I am only reminded about when it occurs at the table, that is until I saw the OP of another thread using similar language, and thought to post it.

sock.rocker* wrote:

good post.

is their reaction to ur bluffing an indication that they never bluff? cause then thats a massive read if they raise/re-raise.. i only thought of it like that now. interesting

Yea, they seem to play pretty damn tight.

Ste05

The-Rigger wrote:

I'm just starting a thread on something I've witnessed. Don't get upset.

LOL, I'm not upset, just amused by the post, I'll go take a nap now...

Samba

lol donkaments play cash.

Jesus Wept

The-Rigger wrote:

I'm just starting a thread on something I've witnessed. Don't get upset.

lol, that was tongue in cheek.

Ste05 wrote:

LOL, I'm not upset, just amused by the post, I'll go take a nap now...

lol, good, you've earned it

I'm not upset by these players, it's just an observation of a breed that exists, that I find quite bizzare.

It can bring unwanted attention/distractions when playing them, as they insist on fuming so vocally, and drawing attention to every hand you play, you become the focal point, unwittingly.

And it also brings a bit of a sh1t atmosphere over the table.

Actually it's not reserved to live play, it happens sometimes in online donkeyments.

JoeB-

Well... i can handle those players.. and the bullies...

BUT... as regards people encouraging other people to call you, the bully, down by saying things like 'He's bluffing'.. or 'He doesn't have anything, he's a bully'... that'd be against the rules wouldn't it? Players can't say things like that, get a ruling... and then they'll have to shut up.

I just read about a similar situation in Zee Justins blog about Phil Hellmuth doing this, phil muttered, 'F**cking amatuers, raising every pot'.. .and Justin called for a ruling as even that is against the rules apparently.

Cheers
Joe

BuChan

lol i meet these types all the time. they are usually older gentleman who don't like being put under pressure "bullied" by "students" as you'll inevitably be called if you're less than 25. a couple weeks back i was playing semi manaic style at a tournament raising a lot of pots blah blah blah and some old guy was getting really pissed he eventually check raised allin on me with 2nd pair and i called with AQ on a A high flop, he spiked 2 pair on the turn and said "you see that, don't try to bully me or i'll get you," or something very close to that.

LOL DONKAMENTS!

Jam-Fly

I once bluffed a guy in a tournament. It was my first or second time playing at that venue and I had reasonable feel for the players and knew this guy would probably go on tilt. It was one of my biggest bluffs ever (I had 82, likely drawing dead, final table, we were both comfortable in chips, a few places away from the money etc) and I showed it to him. So as expected he went on tilt and busted soon.

What was unexpected though, was that he has called me EVERY single time since then. If he has any kind of a hand, he is calling me.

So if people get pissed coz you bluff em, let them get pissed.