Stoern demo live on web tonight 6PM!

zod

According to the metro newspaper this morning there will be a live demo of the orbo technology breaking the laws of physics at steorn.com/orbo/demo 6pm tonight

Sean McCarthy having a smoke break outside Kenitica Museum setting up the demo in london yesterday here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxWzQW_KwEI

All duck or no dinner now!

Gurgle

It's to go on display in London and on the internet:
breaking news
I await in breathless anticipation.

Fully expecting a hooperknacky looking device hooked up to a computer which flashes the message '300%' every few seconds.:rolleyes:

I thought they had given up on this crap months ago.

kevmy

No I've always personnally thought that they have something just not what they think they have. But having said that I wouldn't be at all surprised if we got something in a box today and a lad standing beside it saying "its working, its working mwahahahaha"

judas101

Looking forward to this myself.

The company is not doing well and if this falls on its arse i doubt they'll recover.

Gurgle

kevmy wrote:

No I've always personnally thought that they have something just not what they think they have.

Thats what I thought when it was first announced, but every word from the place since indicates that they're being deliberately misleading.

I can only imagine what investment they've already taken from people who have enough money to throw a wad at it. They've probably got tens of millions in the bank by now.

Sooner or later they'll 'concede' that while their technology does exactly what they said, the rest of the technology in the world just isn't advanced enough to implement it yet.

Expect some comparisons to DeVinci's helocopter.

judas101

What i expect is it to work in principle but require so much development to become practical it will be discarded.

^^The company is making big losses by the way

Gurgle

judas101 wrote:

What i expect is it to work in principle but require so much development to become practical it will be discarded.

As in that will be their excuse for producing nothing ?
Or you believe in their development?

judas101 wrote:

^^The company is making big losses by the way

Losses don't take investment into account, just income vs costs.

judas101

I believe that their 'Orbo' may very well lift a mass like they say it can but i reckon they'll be a gray area around how this is free energy, granted it is doing work but how can this be used to power a mobile phone ect.

Obviously there's still a lot of ambiguity around the whole idea so we'll have to wait and see.

One thing we do know is that magnets are the key components in the machine. Magnets are the main sources of study into free energy so they may just have something worthwhile.

I really hope they do because it'd be great for an irish company to come up with something like this and also because their reputations have taken a battering over the last few months.

luckat

Article wrote:

It is currently being tested by 22 of the world's top scientists, who are expected to conclude their review sometime next year.

"The world's top scientists". Wonder who'd they be.

luckat

Anyone got a web address for tonight's demo, by the way?

Ice_Box

I don’t think we should be saying hoax / scam / fraud without proof. They probably have more lawyers then scientists.

I for one cant see a good answer for all this. The most likely thing is that they have found something but its not a big deal. And they have made a mistake in their calculations and made it look better than it actually is. But this demo will be interesting.

Im going to London.

An Fear Aniar

Does anyone know these people or had any dealings with them? It sounds nuts but they've been going on about it for a loooooooong time.

If it was patently a box of comet pills people would have seen thru it by now. Wouldn't they? Wouldn't they? Wouldn't they?



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Ice_Box

Found this at www.fizzx.com

Thanks to Omege_1 for colecting all this info from the vast bowels of the Steorn Forum. Very Happy

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All clues posted on or before date given.

[Added myself, (Source - NewEnergyTimes interview with Sean)] - Power output is 0.5 Watts per cubic centimeter.

Sep 27th 2006

1.We do not believe that JREF are qualified to make this judgement [i.e. if it really works as claimed]

2. We expect that the cost of the technology will be in line with existing options (i.e. a similar price to the battery and charger that would currently go with a laptop).

3. Our test systems are all physical, we also use simulation software (FEA)

4. In many ways our technology is like going up and down a hill (a magnet moves into a magnetic field and out of that field and in doing so gains energy)

5. It could have worked 25 or 100 years ago.

6. The technology does not use a magnetic shield.

7. Question: Is the patent for magnet shield relevant to your invention? Answer: No

8. I suspect that they[jury] will have it built by third parties

9. We had to break open the wind generators and started playing around with them, looking at, (amongst other things), the positioning of the magnets and testing the outputs – one of these configurations produced some strange results…

10. Certain configurations gave calculated results greater than 100% around a closed loop.

11. The technology has been reviewed and tested not only by universities but also third party engineering companies.

12. Academics with a specialty in Thermodynamics and Magnetics [tested it and reports were positive]

13. Sean visited Africa to identify a test site last week, perhaps to roll out a demo for free. [Not a tech clue but may have some importance here]

14. Several UK Unis have tested the technology.

15. Yes we use Flux3D - no Flux3D does not produce the same results.

16. The technology is at a prototype stage.

Sep 29th 2006

17.The core technology is the ability to construct certain magnetic fields (using permanent magnets)
18. When other magnetic materials travel around a closed trajectory within these fields a non-zero energy sum is achieved

19. For a fixed trajectory travel around a closed loop in one direction will gain energy and travel around the loop in the other direction will results in an energy loss.

20. The trajectories themselves may not be a simple circular loop, they can involve complex paths through the field

21. There is no degradation of the magnetic domains

22. There is no change in environmental energy

Oct 3rd 2006

23. The device is shielded from all sides to prevent interference from other magnetic fields.

24. The thing shown in sky news video is not the actual device. Its for testing purpose. The way it runs has nothing to do with actual operation of the device.

Oct 8th 2006

25. No [energy] source has been found.

26. When we are testing we are only interested in the energy changes due to magnetic interaction. Hence we compensate for friction, mechanical baselines etc. This allows us (in a test enviroment) to see the true effect of magnetic interaction only.

27. A dynamometer is NOT sufficient to test any claim of OU. A dynamometer will not measure changes in magnetic domains, will not measure ambient air temperature - they also tend to suffer high error rates due to the complex (i.e. non-torque) forces that the interaction of magnetic fields cause. A basic rule in testing OU claims is to (accurately) measure all the energies involved.

28. [Power produced, in Watts] depends on the specific configuration [of the device].

29. Signal/noise + uncertainty in their measurement systems is 2000%. The actual result to error ratio is a function of the specific test.

30. Different configurations get different results[OU numbers of 130%, 285%, and 400%]

31. There is a fixed loss and a fixed gain for a specific closed loop. For a closed loop, one direction around the loop will see a gain in energy and the travel in the reverse direction will see a net loss.

32. We had never connected the technology to a generator, i.e. we have not set it up to produce electrical power, just mechanical. Some may find this strange but you need to understand that the energy involved is mechanical.

33. As stated the technology does self sustain, and hence output is connected to input.

34. The OU is greater than friction losses.

35.[co-founder Mike Daly] came in and said: "We have a problem. We appear to be getting out more than we're putting in."

36. I genuinely believe that the energy is created.

37. I believe that CoE is flawed, but then I only believe what I can measure.

Oct 22nd 2006

38. The power output of one of the configurations is 550 BHP.

Nov 26th 2006

39. So again I need to restate that for a cycle there is a fixed loss (due to the interaction of the magnets) and a fixed gain(again due to the interaction of the magnets). There are other 'real world' losses, such as friction, storage of the excess energy (mechanical) and transfer of the stored energy to restart the cycle. So as such there is no amplification so your control theory equation does not apply.
http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=26253&Focus=661752#Comment_661752

40. note that this is not how the technology actually works but is good enough to deal with most questions.
If you where to consider that the technology was a simple rotating wheel, from 0 to 180 degrees the wheel loses 1J of energy and from 180 degrees to 360 degrees the wheel gains 3J of energy, and the wheel stops at 180 degrees. For this conceptual example we will need to consider that there is some energy reservoir that can be charged and discharged at 180 degrees.
So if you start at 180 degrees and move to 360 degrees you gain 3J, you stop and place the 3J gained in the energy reservoir.
You then need to deplete this reservoir by 1J to move from 0 to 180 degrees. So the net energy of the movement is +3, -1, i.e. a gain of 2J.
Each phase of the movement, will be a fixed time, so the device provides not just a fixed energy per cycle but also a fixed power output.
Remember that this is just a conceptual example.
http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=26222&Focus=658391#Comment_658391

41. No the point being that if you put 2J in you still only get 3J out, hence there is no possibility to cascade the technology as indicated by Dr. Mikes post.
http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=26222&Focus=658351#Comment_658351

42. If you take the 1J/3J example (and it is just an example). It is not the case that in this configuration that if you put 2J in you would get 6J out. Hence the technology is not an energy amplifier in that sence. The loss and gain are fixed absolute values for a specific configuration.
http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=26073&Focus=658292#Comment_658292

43. To save any confusion we are saying that our technology is in direct violation of the first law of thermodynamics, i.e. the technology can create or destroy energy.
http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=24191&Focus=652401#Comment_652401

44. a typical configuration will produce a net result of circa 300%, hence if 1J is ‘lost’ in a cycle then 3J would be gained. Friction is not significant
It is possible (but difficult) to build devices with motion in 1 plane, at the moment 2 planes are the simplest to build, but like all technologies this is under constant development.

45. Q: The intermittent move, stop and go, is that needed for degaussing any parts of the device?
A: No this is to allow transfer of energy from one plane to another.
http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=22621&Focus=630632#Comment_630632

46. Most people would expect that an 'over unity machine' would continue to speed up constantly unless the load applied was equal to the excess energy per cycle. However this assumes that the operation does not involve a stop start type motion where in fact you will end up with a fixed cycle speed. So to put it as best I can right now, the cycle speed is a function of the configuration, size, etc, etc, but it is fixed when these variables are fixed.
http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=24723&Focus=579323#Comment_579323

47. The [off] switch at this time is a simple mechanical blocking device, under development of course
http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=22621&Focus=564891#Comment_564891

48. Over the years since finding OU we have obviously tried to find out the physical principle in operation, hence we looked at, built and tested pulse motors during this process.
http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=22962&Focus=549571#Comment_549571

49. We do not use the Halback array in our technology.
http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=22221&Focus=539552#Comment_539552

50. it[LEMA] is not part of the OU technology.

51. Q: Does the OU device that you have developed have limits in respect to its application, size and location?
A: No practical limits that we have yet identified.

52. A final note on LEMA. I do not think that you will get anywhere with LEMA for the reasons stated above. Our actual OU technology is all based around a physical principle that we have discovered, all tests over the years for OU or otherwise confirm the reality of this physical principle. There is nothing about LEMA that would harness this principle.

53. If you are interested in OU I would suggest building a test system and experimenting, i.e. start from the ground up.
No we are not taking the energy stored in the magnets.

54. Our technology is based upon a physical principle. I guess that the physical principle is so unexpected that no one has really looked. It would also require someone to have access to expensive test systems,

55. We use Flux3D from Cedrat (which will cost you circa 40k!). And no it does not predict what our technology does. However it is the differences between the simulated world and the real world experiments that allow you to explore and 'effect' in detail and hence begin to understand it.

http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=22962

56. Our technology has been replicated in many different places.
http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=22001&Focus=519023#Comment_519023

57. The 'device' is purely mechanical. It has a closed loop trajectory, part of the trajectory sees a gain of energy and part of the trajectory sees a loss in energy. The gain is greater than the loss (by varying amounts based upon the configuration
of the magnets and the trajectory). The trajectory is not a simple 360 degree rotation (for any particular magnetic configuration there are nearly an infinite number of closed trajectories that have this performance).
http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=22172&Focus=492081#Comment_492081

58. all the 'machines' operate at different levels of OU (based upon magnetic configuration). If you are looking for consistency with prototype technology across different sizes you will be disappointed.
http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=21663&Focus=472781#Comment_472781

59. We use the test systems to determine the optimum arrangement [of magnets] to go into devices. Hence once optimized via test they are the same.[the config in test system and actual device]
http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=20821&Focus=444121#Comment_444121

60. The core teechnology does not use a shield. Encasing the technology in a shield is a different matter, this is to prevent the fields that the technology uses having any external impact.
http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=18231&Focus=269632#Comment_269632

carl_

So where is this webcast?

carl_

Blah, 6pm ET

.. had my popcorn ready and all

TheBigLebowski

carl_ wrote:

So where is this webcast?

The website says "View the online demonstration here at 6pm Eastern Time (ET)."

This may refer to American Eastern Time. Which should be about 11 0r so tonight...

EDIT: Carl got there before me...

Jackz

http://www.astream.com/live/steorn/camera4.html

A while ago when it was showing the london eye. I preume the other three cams will be on at 11.

I wonder if it is steorn powered?

Is this where we find out it is a viral marketing campaign for astream.com

L1011

Jackz wrote:

http://www.astream.com/live/steorn/camera4.html

A while ago when it was showing the london eye. I preume the other three cams will be on at 11.

I wonder if it is steorn powered?

Is this where we find out it is a viral marketing campaign for astream.com

Posting about 5M of losses through an Irish company for a viral marketing campaign would be an extremely inefficient use of funds, though... :rolleyes:

MooseJam

so did anybody watch this, whats the verdict ?

subway

they couldnt get the video runing last night.
tonight it is experiencing technical difficulties.

tune in at http://www.astream.com/live/steorn/camera4.html
tis looking pretty lame right about now

pH

Steorn Website wrote:

Important update on the Kinetica demo:

We are experiencing some technical difficulties with the demo unit in London. Our initial assessment indicates that this is probably due to the intense heat from the camera lighting. We have commenced a technical assessment and will provide an update later today. As a consequence, Kinetica will not be open to the public today (5th July). We apologise for this delay and appreciate your patience.

http://www.steorn.com/orbo/demo/

My initial assessment is that it's never going to work and you're either deluding yourselves or more like trying to delude us.

Professor_Fink

Strangely stationary for a perpetual motion machine, isn't it!

fatherdougalmag

In you case you haven't read the notice, they've deferred the demo indefinitely.

subway

fatherdougalmag wrote:

In you case you haven't read the notice, they've deferred the demo indefinitely.

losers

pH

Steorn website wrote:

Further to Steorn’s announcement yesterday (5th July) regarding the technical difficulties experienced during the installation of its “Orbo” technology at the Kinentica Museum in London, Steorn has decided to postpone the demonstration until further notice.

Sean McCarthy CEO stated that “technical problems arose during the installation of the demonstration unit in the display case on Wednesday evening. These problems were primarily due to excessive heat from the lighting in the main display area. Attempts to replace those parts affected by the heat led to further failures and as a result we have to postpone the public demonstration until a future date.”

He continued that “we apologise for the inconvenience caused to all the people who had made arrangements to visit the demonstration or were planning on viewing the demonstration online.”

Over the next few weeks the company will explore alternative dates for the public demonstration.

I can't be arsed to find the link now, but steorn said that they had a device which moved through a series of magnetic fields and returned to its original position with more energy than it had at the start of the rotation. Now discounting the alternative that they're claiming it gained mass, this means they're claiming it gained velocity - so in theory they have a device that once you set it spinning - it keeps getting faster until whatever 'free energy' it can harvest in a rotation is equivalent to the energy being lost to friction.

I really fail to see how they could delude themselves about such a device, and why they continued to push this charade as far as having to fail to setup a public demonstration. Most of these perpetual machines are permanently 6 months away from a demonstration (if only this last little kink could be worked out). Why did they take it this far and actual announce and bring a device to a demonstration?

One possibility is that there was an intention to rig the machine somehow, but whatever safeguards were put in place at this museum prevented them for doing this.

Gurgle

pH wrote:

One possibility is that there was an intention to rig the machine somehow, but whatever safeguards were put in place at this museum prevented them for doing this.

I wonder if the poor fools had their magic magnets machine set up beside a transformer or something in their office.
Its possible that it was incompetence all along, not an attempt at fraud.