AA almost 300bbs Deep

phantom_lord

I seem to be missing loads of hhs from last night, so I'm putting this up from memory.

table has been passive for the most part pf, there was a deepstacked fish so everyone was just seeing flops and hoping to stack him.

villain in this hand might think i'm a bit of a donk for a hand against the fish, I raised k6s from the co, flop 66a, i bet, fish mr, I 3bet, turned a fd and open shoved for 100ish, and he snapped called with aq. berated me for a while for shoving with a fd etc etc. lol.

there's no history between us, first time he's 3bet me i think, or at least the first time I've called one. he's tight so it's not light. he's agf stats were just over 2.5 I think.

just as a btw, I was talking to one of the regs in the chat and said I was moving table at the end of the last hand. (fish has just been busted, everyone elses stats are red)

5 handed.

I've 276.
he covers.

AA

I make it 4 utg, he raises to 11 next to act. Everyone folds and I just call.


Flop ~ (23)

1034


check, he bets 15, I call.


Turn ~ (53)


7


i lead for 46, he thinks, and calls.


River ~ (145)


j


I don't like this card, but I've got aces! so I bet 100.


ok?

[nicK]

phantom_lord wrote:

first time he's 3bet me i think, or at least the first time I've called one. he's tight so it's not light.

you gotta make a decent sized 4bet pf.. 'cause..
you know he has a decent hand
your out of position for the rest of the hand
your deep

never bothered looking at flop action sorry

lolkelly

4 bet preflop.
lead after the flop.

phantom_lord

when I mean tight, I think he's 3betting aq+ jj+, and I'd expect him to fold almost all of that range if i 4bet. it's not like there's been any action pf between us so he's gonna put me squarely on aa/kk.

edit: well, he wont fold the pairs cause he can set mine, but I don't wanna give any my hand deep and oop.

ianmc38

Argh whats with all the threads recently with people cold calling 3 bets when 300BBs deep with AA?

cardshark202

4bet pf no more to say.

phantom_lord

ianmc38 wrote:

Argh whats with all the threads recently with people cold calling 3 bets when 300BBs deep with AA?

all two of them!

ok, I guess i should have 4bet so.

RedJoker

I'll probably be moving up to 100nl in the next few days so I'm going to give this a shot and won't mind comments on my analysis.

I don't mind your line preflop, pretty hard for him to make a mistake (preflop or postflop) if you 4bet. Although not 4 betting could be considered a mistake by you.

Given your read of his range would a check raise on the flop be a better line. Do you think he is likely to stack off on JJ+ here?

On the turn.
JJ+ will probably bet again and gives you a good chance to checkraise, he might have come over the top here with one of these hands.
AK/AQ suited are more likely than offsuit because of the 3 bet preflop, particularly in the AQ case. They may bet again if checked to but not betting here gives them a free card if they want it.
Not betting allows AK/AQ suited and unsuited a chance to catch a K or Q which may then pay off a river bet.
Turn bet seems fine to me.

On the river his range is JJ+, AK/AQ in hearts or spades? AK/AQ off suit fold to the turn lead I assume.
QQ/KK is 12 combos you beat which may pay off the river bet, they might have raised the turn though, AK/AQ hearts is 2 combos you beat and won't pay you off, JJ, AK/AQ spades is 5 combos which beat you and will probably push here, 1 (AA) you split with.
Preflop 3 bet is more likely to be KK/QQ and turn call is more likely to be JJ, AK/AQ.

River bet is fine.

If he didn't raise the turn with QQ/KK then it's unlikely he'll raise the river but getting over 4 to 1 is a big lay down, what were your plans here if he pushed?

I agree the Js was a bad river card for you.

Samba

villain in this hand might think i'm a bit of a donk for a hand against the fish, I raised k6s from the co, flop 66a, i bet, fish mr, I 3bet, turned a fd and open shoved for 100ish, and he snapped called with aq. berated me for a while for shoving with a fd etc etc. lol.

If this is what he possibly thinks of you, then it's all the more reason to 4 bet PF he will put you on a much wider range than you think.

As played I check call the river. Don't have a clue where you stand.

You do raise a good question, what's the best way not to hang a neon sign over your head when playing AA?

Start 4 betting PF with a wider range?

BuChan

i like the call preflop. i'm not sure why everyone is so strongly advocating the 4-bet.... i think i would have gone for a big check raise on the turn rather than a lead and if he had checked behind just a normal value bet on the river. i think you played this hand fine, he'll call with KK/QQ/AJhearts maybe 99/88. if he backed into a flush or JJJ then it's just unlucky.

phantom_lord

Samba wrote:

You do raise a good question, what's the best way not to hang a neon sign over your head when playing AA?

Start 4 betting PF with a wider range?

yup, unfortunately i hadn't had a chance to 4bet him all session, never mind light!

ianmc38

BuChan wrote:

i like the call preflop. i'm not sure why everyone is so strongly advocating the 4-bet.... i think i would have gone for a big check raise on the turn rather than a lead and if he had checked behind just a normal value bet on the river. i think you played this hand fine, he'll call with KK/QQ/AJhearts maybe 99/88. if he backed into a flush or JJJ then it's just unlucky.

Advocating a call preflop is bad advice. We are 300BBs deep here and want to get as much of that in as possible preflop. He may also have a hand in the range AJs+/JJ+ that will definitely call a 4bet and will most likely call bets on 3streets. Even if he's 3betting light with a hand such as 78s, he's not going to put much money in postflop unless he outflops us where as he may even call a 4bet ith this hand as the stacks are so deep. Cold calling the 3bet with 100BB stacks is fine given the right situation. This is not it.

BuChan

yeah i guess you could be right ian, it's just always tempting to try and play a big pot with AA and i wouldn't want to fold out AJ/AQ/KQ etc.

why the lead on the turn phantom lord, two many draws out to allow a potential check behind? i think on a board like this the villian would probably have bet again on the turn with anything.