sister selling a car.. is she being scammed?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

basically, my sister put her car on autotrader and she got an email from somebody in the Uk. The guy says he is a canadian, living in england and his wife is english, living in Canada. She doesn't like the left hand drive cars, so he is buying her one and having it shipped over to her.

He wants to send my sister a bank draft to cover the cost of the car and the shipping, once she has the cash she will pay the shipping company that he has organised and she will keep the balance as payment.

maybe this is common procedure when buying cars online, I'm not really sure but there are a couple of things we have been worrying about

1) cars are cheaper in the uk, aren't they? Why doesn't he buy one over there

2) His english is absolutely terrible.. puts me in mind of one of the nigerian bank loan emails.

3) he keeps mentioning trust, and how much he has to trust her, how important trust is in a business transaction etc... while this is all true, it just strikes me as a bit dodgy that he keeps bringing it up

now, while this does strike me as a scam. it's possible the person who wants to buy my sisters car is just a bit daft, or his wife gets a stiffy for clio's. We're just not sure though.. because how do you scam someone by sending them a bank draft?

he seems pretty insistent that she won't have to give the car up until after the draft clears, he hasn't asked her for any bank account details, I'm just confused

here is a little bit from the emails

Firstly am going to pay you an amount which is going to cover your asking for the car and the shipping cost as well as you already knew am responsible for the shipping bill.

So right now am going to instruct my business associate to send you a bankers draft issue by united kingdom bank base in total sum of £8,600 in your name and it's going to be post to you via postal mail which have all ready cover your asking price for the car and the shipping expenses as well.

As soon as you recieve the bankers draft all you needed to do make deposite into your bank account and when it CLEARED FULLY which will take few days to cleared fully into your bank account my bank advised .

Mind you am quite agree with you THE PAYMENT MUST FULLY CONFIRM CLEARED IN YOUR ACCOUNT FROM YOUR BANK before i can take full possession of the car which i belief you have no problem regarding to that and my shippingagent will sign the DVLA papers and all other necessary documents related to this car upon is arrival to your location on my behalf he has all the full details with him for the DVLA.

Sameday your bank as confirm the payment cleared you deduct your asking price first and the balance left you withdraw that in cash in hand after you must deducted your asking price for the car £4300 out of the total amount deposited.The funds left you take it to any nearby local western union agency arround you send it to my shippingagent.I shall provide you my shippingagent details where you are to transfer the cash balance immedailty the payment get to you.

I 'll giving you £300 for your efforts and western union charges out of the shippingagent money.

I want you to understand immediatly my shippingagent claim the balance from you same day the bankers draft clears is going to make use of the funds left to come down to your location for the pick up arrangements and to settle some shipping bills such as bill of lading,insurance and custom charges etc during the process of shipping and his coming down alongside with a mechanic who's going to assist the shipper to drive the car to a nearby sea port because my shippingagent is not perfect in driving.

any thoughts?

kikel

Definitely a SCAM

legs11

the first 5 words told me SCAM.

sesswhat

Mordeth wrote:

maybe this is common procedure when buying cars online

Yes, getting crap like this is common procedure when doing anything online:D

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

basically, my sister put her

first five words?

you are good

Mitch Connor

Mordeth wrote:

first five words?

you are good

obviously ment last...

any thoughts?

Definitely a SCAM

Gran Hermano

http://baheyeldin.com/technology/technology-in-society/craigslist-classified-for-used-car-cheque-fraud-scam.html

http://www.joewein.de/sw/fraud-car-buyer.htm

Just look at the grammar,syntax and punctuation in the mail he
sent you, it's clearly a Nigerian bank draft scam as outlined in the
links above.

He'll send you a draft and you'll lodge it in your bank.
Then he'll change his mind and ask for you to send the
cash back (may let you retain part for your bother).
After you transfer the cash back your bank will tell you
his draft/cheque has bounced or was stolen and the bank
remove the original cash from your account. You'll never
see the cash you 'refunded' him.

mike65

Nigeria calling? When these 419 guys learn to type english proper-like, they may be more successful.

Mike.

SoBe

mordeth have a read here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055106793

lets ya see what way it works

scam all the way tbh

kdevitt

No offence meant by this - but I find it scary that you or your sister could think this is genuine for even a split second.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

*shrug*
takes all sorts

Fr Dougal

Likewise, my wife's car is on Carzone and I got this e-mail. Didn't bother to reply

Thanks for your response to my mails.

However, The car is needed in Ukraine for a movie purpose, The Engineer of the shipping company would be coming for inspection of the car before payment would be made for thecar.
I will like to more about working condition of the car and last price of the car.

Kindly send me more pics of the car.

Thanks.
Bill

jhegarty

Mordeth wrote:

The guy says he is a canadian, living in england and his wife is english, living in Canada.

Thats enough to say scam...

Fr Dougal

Fr Dougal wrote:

Likewise, my wife's car is on Carzone and I got this e-mail. Didn't bother to reply

I meant to say, it's a 03 Citroen C3. I'm sure there hard to get and there's a huge demand for them on the movie scene in Ukraine

Seth Brundle

lead the thieving feckers on!

Fr Dougal

kbannon wrote:

lead the thieving feckers on!

I like the way you're thinking. I'll send a reply tomorrow.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/upload/72573-buying-scams-watch-out-2.html

my sister googled his email addy and found this, lol.

Fr Dougal

I just googled the one I got and found him on this blacklist.
http://www.joewein.net/dbl-update/2006-08/2006-08-17.htm

onna compose a reply and lead him on tomorrow.

I'll keep ye posted.

Jack Bauer999

Mordeth wrote:

basically, my sister put her car on autotrader and she got an email from somebody in the Uk. The guy says he is a canadian, living in england and his wife is english, living in Canada. She doesn't like the left hand drive cars, so he is buying her one and having it shipped over to her.

He wants to send my sister a bank draft to cover the cost of the car and the shipping, once she has the cash she will pay the shipping company that he has organised and she will keep the balance as payment.

maybe this is common procedure when buying cars online, I'm not really sure but there are a couple of things we have been worrying about

1) cars are cheaper in the uk, aren't they? Why doesn't he buy one over there

2) His english is absolutely terrible.. puts me in mind of one of the nigerian bank loan emails.

3) he keeps mentioning trust, and how much he has to trust her, how important trust is in a business transaction etc... while this is all true, it just strikes me as a bit dodgy that he keeps bringing it up

now, while this does strike me as a scam. it's possible the person who wants to buy my sisters car is just a bit daft, or his wife gets a stiffy for clio's. We're just not sure though.. because how do you scam someone by sending them a bank draft?

he seems pretty insistent that she won't have to give the car up until after the draft clears, he hasn't asked her for any bank account details, I'm just confused

here is a little bit from the emails




any thoughts?

Scam, same thing happened to me kinda,
was selling a digital camera in buy and sell cuple years ago.
got email from guy calimed to be in holland,
said he'd send a bank draft for more than the camera worth and
to send the balance by western union to him as soon as cheque
was lodged.
knew it was a scam, the same type of english in the email, mispelt
words etc..
played along with it to see what the scam was, got the bank
draft, actually looked real enough, he wanted me to send the camera and
balance straight away but i waited 4 days or something for the draft
to clear and guess what..... it didnt, the bank returned it with a big VOID
across it!!

the post code from the letter i got from ur man with the bank draft in it was from Nigeria!!


I suppose some poor fools fall for it otherwise they would not be doing it!

Tipsy Mac

Nobody will ever import a car into their country from Ireland, the suggestion of it and level of thick idiot spelling in the emails usually points to this.

You should though be on the lookout for a UK based company who will call you saying they have a buyer in Ireland for your car and want €100 notes or thereabouts to pass you on the details, this is also a scam.

When selling a car nowadays I would only deal in cash, too much scams going around.

Locutus

As all the others have pointed out, this is a total scam. Don't reply, you will be deluged with shyte forever. But for a bit of fun, see

www.419eater.com

RoundyMooney

kbannon wrote:

lead the thieving feckers on!

...with a new anonymous email from which they can't extrapolate any info about you.

Ireland is second only to Amsterdam and the UK in terms of offshore Nigerian advance fee fraud activity, so the possibility of some shifty characters sitting outside your home in a beat up 92 Primera is a distinct, albeit slightly improbable possibility.

tuxy

Tipsy Mac wrote:

Nobody will ever import a car into their country from Ireland,

I don't think this is correct. I think some people from the Uk buy in Ireland as it's a little cheaper when vrt is not applied. However they do end up with a more basic spec.
Only applies to new cars.

Mexicola

A wonderful scambaiting opportunity....

Get some hints from the 419 eater site...