Bell 92 refusing to fire

o1s1n

Just after getting two new bottles of power gas. Was all excited. Pull the trigger. No bbs coming out.

The gas isn't blowing the slide back far enough for it to chamber a bb. So it just ends up firing off a load of blanks.

I've tried the gas in my Mac. It works fine. So it's definitely something up with the m9. I have two mags for it. Happens with both.

Tried stripping it down and siliconing it up. Nothing. Tried the opposite. Nothing. Tried leaving the mags to warm up. Nothing.

It works perfectly fine if I manually pull the slide back before every shot. Although, that more or less puts it in the same league as a springer.

Any ideas?

Fiach Dubh

May need to put a highflow valve in.

o1s1n

Shouldnt have to though. When you buy something new you generally assume its going to work without any need for modifications!

Fiach Dubh

True enough man. Have you tried stripping it and putting it back together? One of the moving parts might just be a bit sticky.

o1s1n

Just comparing the valves on the mags with the valve on my mac mag. The mac valve is super smooth. You can barely feel it being pushed in. The m9 valves feel as if theyre rusty or are meeting some resistance when being pushed in. Theyve also been covered in lithium grease as if someone was trying to make the action smoother.

Hmmm. Might fire off an email to RSOV.

Fiach Dubh

Worth a go, Keith will help if he can. Didn't I hear somewhere that some highend company's 92 mags will work on the Bell? WA maybe. Might be worth looking into if you have no luck.

o1s1n

The HFC m190 and Tokyo Marui ones are all compatible. Hopefully there'll be someone on Sunday with one actually. Good idea

Fiach Dubh

Maybe somebody there will have propane with them too and you could give it a try. Those mags may just not like that make of gas. I'd give you some propane to try it but I won't be there untill next weekend

gandalf

I have a HFC M190 I'll bring it along and you can try the mag.

I have some 134a gas as well you can try a bit of that as well.

o1s1n

gandalf wrote:

I have a HFC M190 I'll bring it along and you can try the mag.

I have some 134a gas as well you can try a bit of that as well.

Excellent thanks.

Actually, could you do me a favour? I think I've isolated the problem. Whenever I manually pull the slide back myself, it met some resistance before it went back fully. After having a good look around, it turns out this is the offending part;



Any chance you could pop the slide off yours and see if that part is there/sticking up to that degree?

The slide has to mount up over that piece before it goes back. It seems to be about the same point that the blowback is stopping.

kdouglas

haven't got my m9 handy to check... but from what i can see it looks like that bit is sticking up a little high alright...

if you take the right hand side grip off, you might be able to get a better look, watch out for the spring under the trigger bar, don't lose it!

o1s1n

Bah, that's not the problem either lol. Took it off, tried firing it by inserting a screwdriver instead. Still nout.

Not to mention I am now having difficulty putting that spring you just mentioned back in.

Why am I cursed with gas blowbacks?!

kdouglas

if you look under the trigger bar, there is a little notch which the spring sits into...

Edit: this and in particular this might help

liamo333

Try shortening the biggest spring in the gun. It will not be so hard for the slide to slide back.

o1s1n

kdouglas wrote:

if you look under the trigger bar, there is a little notch which the spring sits into...

Edit: this and in particular this might help

Took me a while to figure that out. Problem is, the spring just won't stay in place. The couple of times I actually did get it to stay put, and put the pistol grip back on, it just came off again after about three shots.

To make matters worse, this isn't even the problem I was having with the gun in the first place lol

liamo333

How is it besides that?

o1s1n

Besides that, the gun won't blow back fully when it's fired. So bbs wont go into the chamber and nothing comes out of it. It just ends up doing these half blown back dry firing shots.

Doesn't matter now though. I still can't get that spring back in place. Same deal. I set it in, put the pistol grip back on, after a shot or two it comes lose again.

o1s1n

Spring is back in and working. Drama over. I was making a really really really REALLY stupid mistake.



Really stupid.



Moving along without further discussion

CrazyRabbit

o1s1n wrote:

Spring is back in and working. Drama over. I was making a really really really REALLY stupid mistake.



Really stupid.



Moving along without further discussion

There isn't a chance in hell we're gonna let it go that easily!

Come on, what did you do?

liamo333

Did you put gas in the mags???:D:D

chalky

you didn't have it in the notch kd mentioned?

o1s1n

Oh no, it's still not blowing back. I managed to get the trigger working again though. So I'm just back to my original problem. *yay*


Instead of putting the top part of the spring UNDER the trigger bar, I spent over an hour trying to get it to stay in place under a tab on the side of it. Just look at the red line in the picture. No wonder I was getting so frustrated, it's impossible to actually do.

o1s1n

chalky wrote:

you didn't have it in the notch kd mentioned?

That's pretty much it lol

chalky

I'm embarrassed to say I did the same myself when I disassembled mine last night. Figured it out fairly quickly though. (20 mins is quick right?)

o1s1n

chalky wrote:

I'm embarrassed to say I did the same myself when I disassembled mine last night. Figured it out fairly quickly though. (20 mins is quick right?)

Quicker than my hour or so anyway :eek:

It just seemed like that's where it was meant to be. It kinda fit too. I got to the point where I was actually changing the shape of the spring slightly to make it fit. I thought it was after getting warped a bit. Turns out the only warped thing was my perception of how to put it back together. *doh*

kdouglas

yup, i think we've all been there, got incredibly frustrated wondering how the hell to get the spring to stay in place, thinking "this cant be right, it's impossible", then realising there was a little notch underneath... lol

hard to say without seeing it what else could be the problem, but bring it with you to hrta tomorrow (if your going) and im sure if we all put our heads together we can figure it out...

oh btw... has it worked before on propane/different gas?

o1s1n

kdouglas wrote:

yup, i think we've all been there, got incredibly frustrated wondering how the hell to get the spring to stay in place, thinking "this cant be right, it's impossible", then realising there was a little notch underneath... lol

hard to say without seeing it what else could be the problem, but bring it with you to hrta tomorrow (if your going) and im sure if we all put our heads together we can figure it out...

oh btw... has it worked before on propane/different gas?

I'll be heading along on Sunday so I'll bring it then. Gandalf was nice enough to offer me a m190 mag to see if that's the problem.

I haven't tried any other gas with it. This is the first chance I got to shoot the thing.
The fact that the gas I got today works in the MAC means it has to be decent stuff. The only other gas that has ever had that working is propane.

So I'm back to it either being the mag valves (Which the m190 mags should solve) or that notch on the trigger bar catching and stopping it blowing back.

I'm really hoping it's just the mags.

kdouglas

hmmm... could be the mags or could be something catching on the inside of the slide, will have a look at it on sunday if you dont get it sorted by then. ill have my m190 with me aswell

ED E

Had problems similar to yours before. Dismantled it, clended it, put it back together: BOWCHICAWAWA BUT the safty is Fecked. Lost the pin in the left side of the safety that holds it in F or S. This was cause the whole afety assembly is loose, ie 4 mm gap between safety and side of slide! slide back and forth, anyone know why this is?/how to fix it.

gandalf

o1s1n wrote:

Excellent thanks.

Actually, could you do me a favour? I think I've isolated the problem. Whenever I manually pull the slide back myself, it met some resistance before it went back fully. After having a good look around, it turns out this is the offending part;



Any chance you could pop the slide off yours and see if that part is there/sticking up to that degree?

The slide has to mount up over that piece before it goes back. It seems to be about the same point that the blowback is stopping.

Yep there is a similar notch on the M190 as well. Remember the HFC I have is mainly ABS but I doubt thats a problem. It does sound like you have an issue with the valves on the mag.

gandalf

Oisin spotted this on Arnies http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=113785

Looks like you aren't the only one having this issue.

o1s1n

gandalf wrote:

Oisin spotted this on Arnies http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=113785

Looks like you aren't the only one having this issue.

Nice find. And I even bought an extra one. Damn it. I wonder if I send two bell mags back to Keith would he send me out 1 HFC as a replacement?

kdouglas

hmmm.. just reading that thread on arnies... i've tested bell mags in my hfc m190 and they worked fine, could be just a few dodgy ones floating around

gandalf

It could be that they are all from the same batch. No idea how you would check for this though.

ED E

can you use KJ mags in it? If so ask jarold to put a piar in the next WGC order for $34 dollars a piece. Dearer but great quality.

kdouglas

actually, kjw mags i find are better than the hfc, i've one hfc mag for my m9 that came with it and 3 kjw ones, kjw feed much better

ED E

The Kjs can sometimes jam but silicone fixes it completely

Harekin

Iv never had a KJ Works mag jam. And they're only $24 from WGC.

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I know it sounds obvious but gotta ask just in case , did ya clean out all the gunk in the mag? cos i realy dont see that mag having a hope in hell of feeding straight from the box with the amount of viscious grease thats in it

Mark_Sc

Happened to me too

ED E

We tried all three types today, bell, KJW and HFC. None worked. Its the gun!

Fallschirmjager

jeasus u put me right off buying one of these and i was close...i rekon this will kill any non TM purchases o1s1n was planning...!!

ED E

Hes gonna open it up. After today i want a Mac 11(Oisins version) and a TM (hardkick?) Deagle, both were super snazy.

o1s1n

Okay well I can now officially say, DO NOT BUY A BELL M92. They money I spent on that would have been a pretty big lump out of a KJ works. Bugger to that anyway!

kdouglas

chalky's one was acting up a bit too the way your one was, but after a bit of grease on the slide and the blowback chamber-thingy, it started working ok, forgot to mention that to you earlier, should have tried it on yours.

o1s1n

kdouglas wrote:

chalky's one was acting up a bit too the way your one was, but after a bit of grease on the slide and the blowback chamber-thingy, it started working ok, forgot to mention that to you earlier, should have tried it on yours.

Bit late now!

He was showing it to me before we left the safe zone. I'm going to strip it down completely and give it a good look over. You never know.

OR I could get onto keith again and see what the story is.