Tournament pre-flop bet sizing scenarios

BobSloane

For all hands assume you're a bit away from the bubble. Lets say 40 players left with the bubble at 20. Really wondering about some of my pre-flop play in general in tournaments. Just really would you raise,how much,would you call, would you push..etc

Scenario 1.
Hero(6000) UTG 10h10c Blinds 200/400 Average Stack 8000

Sc 2.
Hero(6000) Button KsQs Blinds 100/200 MP1,MP2, CO all limp Average stack 5000

Sc 3.
Hero(6000) BB KsQs Blinds 100/200 MP1,MP2, CO all limp Sb completes Average stack 5000

Sc 4.
Hero(13,000) Button 6c7c Blinds 200/400 UTG+1(12,000) raises to 1000 MP1(6000) calls 1000 MP2 calls 1000. Sb and BB have ~7000 and have not been push happy. Average stack 8000

Sc 5
Hero(6000) Sb 9c9d Blinds 200/400 MP(4,500) raise to 1000 CO(7000) calls, Button(6500) calls. BB(18000) Average stack 8000


Sc 6.
Hero(8000) Button AcJc Blinds 200/400 MP(9000) raises to 1200. Folded to you. Average stack 8000. Preflop action?
(lets say you call and the blinds fold)

Flop Ah Td 7c (3000)
MP bets 2000 now what?

5starpool

1. Make it around 1300.
2. I'd limp in this case.
3. Check
4. Fold
5. Shoveski
6. Fold probably unless you know anything about him.

Brayruit

Here are my 1.5 cents... maybe 0.87 cents...
(Note: I am probably too tight a player and will not be surprised to see better players pushing more often than I would... will be interested to see)

Scenario 1.
- No need to push... put in a standard raise to 1200 or so. I would be calling a raise that puts me all in though.

Sc 2.
- For me this would depend on what I had observed at the table in relation to limping behaviour and what it has meant. I might fold or put in 1500 depending on what that assessment tells me. Absent this information, I limp here, but would be wary of flops that hit my hand unless they hit it hard.

Sc 3.
- Here I would be deciding between putting in 1500 and checking to see a flop. Again would depend on what I believe the limpers are up to.

Sc 4.
- I would fold. Can also see a justification for a call... that's what you set the scenario up for, right?

Sc 5
- I think that this is the toughest one. I probably push, and I'm not even sure what I am hoping will happen then. I fear I go broke here a lot.

Sc 6.
- Take a flop
- Post flop: In my view it is 50/50 that you are ahead here depending on what you have seen the other player so before. With deeper stacks I would raise; here I call and reassess on the turn.

Ardent

BobSloane wrote:

Scenario 1.
Hero(6000) UTG 10h10c Blinds 200/400 Average Stack 8000

Raise to 1000.

Sc 2.
Hero(6000) Button KsQs Blinds 100/200 MP1,MP2, CO all limp Average stack 5000

I'm inclined to just call here and see what the flop brings.

Sc 3.
Hero(6000) BB KsQs Blinds 100/200 MP1,MP2, CO all limp Sb completes Average stack 5000

Check.

Sc 4.
Hero(13,000) Button 6c7c Blinds 200/400 UTG+1(12,000) raises to 1000 MP1(6000) calls 1000 MP2 calls 1000. Sb and BB have ~7000 and have not been push happy. Average stack 8000

Personal preference is to call here to see a favourable flop but fold to a pre-flop push from the blinds.

Sc 5
Hero(6000) Sb 9c9d Blinds 200/400 MP(4,500) raise to 1000 CO(7000) calls, Button(6500) calls. BB(18000) Average stack 8000

Push I guess.

Sc 6.
Hero(8000) Button AcJc Blinds 200/400 MP(9000) raises to 1200. Folded to you. Average stack 8000. Preflop action?

Flat call.

(lets say you call and the blinds fold)
Flop Ah Td 7c (3000)
MP bets 2000 now what?

Tough. Read dependent but I would probably call and see if he slows down on the turn and evaluate from there.

CaptainNemo

BobSloane wrote:

Scenario 1.
Hero(6000) UTG 10h10c Blinds 200/400 Average Stack 8000

I'd usually raise to 1200 but sometimes limp with the intention of coming over the top of a late position raise.

BobSloane wrote:

Sc 2.
Hero(6000) Button KsQs Blinds 100/200 MP1,MP2, CO all limp Average stack 5000

I'd raise to 800 or 1000.

BobSloane wrote:

Sc 3.
Hero(6000) BB KsQs Blinds 100/200 MP1,MP2, CO all limp Sb completes Average stack 5000

Probably just check here.

BobSloane wrote:

Sc 4.
Hero(13,000) Button 6c7c Blinds 200/400 UTG+1(12,000) raises to 1000 MP1(6000) calls 1000 MP2 calls 1000. Sb and BB have ~7000 and have not been push happy. Average stack 8000

I'd call. The raise is small and with 2 callers you've the chance to win a big pot if you hit big with this hand.

BobSloane wrote:

Sc 5
Hero(6000) Sb 9c9d Blinds 200/400 MP(4,500) raise to 1000 CO(7000) calls, Button(6500) calls. BB(18000) Average stack 8000

I probably push here but it's dependant on some of the players. If the initial raiser is loose and will call an all-in with hands like AJ, A10, KQ etc then I might just call and see a flop first.

If the raiser is very tight then I probably fold.

BobSloane wrote:

Sc 6.
Hero(8000) Button AcJc Blinds 200/400 MP(9000) raises to 1200. Folded to you. Average stack 8000. Preflop action?
(lets say you call and the blinds fold)

Flop Ah Td 7c (3000)
MP bets 2000 now what?

I'd probably call preflop but a fold wouldn't be a bad move either and I would sometimes fold here. Having called and hit your ace now I think you have to go with it and hope you're not up against AQ/AK. Push.

BobSloane

My pokertracker is fuked so I went playing MTTs online these last few days. I played 10 with 100-200 players, made one final table(9th), one other cash,(16th), one early exit and seven where I was around this 40 left with bubble at 20 situation. Obviously its a (ridiculously)small sample size but I'm pretty sure I'm doing something wrong.

Hand 1. I raise to 1000. Whenever I get 99/TT/JJ UTG I get ready to metaphorically get my coat. Maybe limping and coming over the top of a raiser like capatin nemo says would be a new way to play it

Hands 2 and 3 I generally raise to 1000. With hands 2 and 3 it picks up the dead money often enough I think to be +ev but the trouble can start when we see a flop - especially out of the big blind. Most are limping/checking here so maybe I'm way off with my raises

Hand 4 I call(think this could be very leaky after looking through some HHs)

Hand 5 I push, but I'm often doing this with 77 also. Where is the cut-off point here - or does it go a lot lower than 7s? Actually sometimes I pussy out and fold - is this terrible? I never call

Hand 6 I call and get it all in on the turn if there's an A, club or J - but otherwise I fold if he bets hard again. On that flop I'm beating A9 and A8. Think AJ is my nemesis and should fold it alot more pre-flop - but its AJs - and the button! This type of hand could be my most destructive. I could often be folding the best hand on the turn or calling off all my chips on a flush draw against AK or AQ. **** basically

Flushdraw

CaptainNemo wrote:

I probably push here but it's dependant on some of the players. If the initial raiser is loose and will call an all-in with hands like AJ, A10, KQ etc then I might just call and see a flop first.

If he calls with those hands i'm pushing everyday of the week then and twice on Sundays!!

Flushdraw

Most of the decisions are based on your image, the table image, reads, your tournament goal, exact chip stacks etc so you cant answer accurately but generally...

Sc 1 - I raise to 1200/1400
Sc 2 - I make it 1400
Sc 3 - I check
Sc 4 - I could call, raise or fold here
Sc 5 - Push
Sc 6 - I dont like calling raises with AJ. I either raise or fold depending on reads/image. If you call, you find yourself in a situation that you describe where the flop comes Ace high and you dont know where you stand.

jimmii

1. If there has been a lot of limping then maybe chance playing here but if your 50% sure someone will raise then I would fold it unless you want to get it all in.

2. Once one person has limped the others feel protected i'd raise this to 1k hope to take it down then if not then you can hit all sorts of boards.

3. Check don't want to play a big pot with this hand OOP.

4. Call easy to get away from if you miss and should be well disguised if you hit.

5. Totally depends on the players already in.

6. Nasty one if its a player you know loves any ace then get it in if its a decent tight player then flip a coin and choose heads to shove and tails to fold!

LuckyLloyd

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Flushdraw

Hero(6000) Sb 9c9d Blinds 200/400 MP(4,500) raise to 1000 CO(7000) calls, Button(6500) calls. BB(18000) Average stack 8000?

LuckyLloyd wrote:

wtf? what levels are you playing at? Just call with a baffled expression on your face. The BB will be an under - raise if he tanks so no - one will be able to re - raise behind. Then you just check, fold any flop without a nine on it.

Lloyd..just run that one by me again because i dont get it mate

BB has 18000, not 1800 is that what you were thinking? Why not push here? You have 6k with a chance of taking down 3.6k uncontested or in a race at worst if called..providing the OR hasnt an overpair

LuckyLloyd

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Flushdraw

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Sorry Tony - I read it as 1800. I expect one of the OR or two cold - callers to be badly playing a bigger pair tbh. And the action just seems so shallow stacked and spewey in general.

I'd be hoping they were calling behind with a smaller pair or 2 overs. Cant imagine them having 1010+. Then again thats why i said the decisions are based on having a lot of information.