Cop flips out on a bunch of skaters

Cianos

This may have been posted before;

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imo it's not necessarily police brutality, but shows really really bad police skills. He could have handled the situation so much better.

shortys94

Wow, i sued to live in New York and the cops were pretty much 100% zero tolerance but this just takes the cake. I cant believe he was like choking the girl and boy at the same time.

They look like good skaters too by their teaser.

FiannaGym.com

What are you guys talking about?

What else do you expect in Stalin's USSR?

Oh yeah.....

Peace

Evolute

I'm Sorry but did anyone else find that funny?? Honestly i giggled a little at the fact that he arrested them for using their skateboards

kjt

Somebody's got to say it... Only in America

PeakOutput

ehhh no1 seems to be mentioning the fact that they were resisting arrest after breaking the law..................

granted im sure under normal circumstances they will not arrest me for skateboarding or bmxing but just tell me to move BUT if they want to they have a right to

i have no problem with skateboarders or anyone else doing there sport of choice as i used to bmx and did my fair share of accidental damage to property myself BUT if a garda tried to arrest me for it firstly i would not resist it and moan about it being a "police state" and secondly if i did resist i would fully expect greater force to be used against me.

seriously take responsibility for your actions.

maxitwist

Ok not that I think you are or anything like that but you sound like such a tool there man!

sdLOVE

the cop was suspended but then got off scott free and i think the kids have been charged.. clearly the cop was in the wrong, maybe not on the first kid cause we cant see that part but after he puts him in cuffs on of the kids says "i just got a pic of a cop choking a kid" the cop runs to arrest him, leaving the other kid on the ground in handcuffs un attended. Im sorry but that is highly illegal.

Pawsome

Wow that cops a total dick

Ugly Dead Boy

Clearly has problems dealing with his hair loss, weight gain, inability to think outside of the box and is probably still struggling with bullying issues!!!
Land of the free my bollox!

T-Maxx

Having no respect for the law does not promote skateboarding at all.

BENJAMIN61

gift

SuperSean11

Lol:D If that happened in ireland the garda would be in sh!t

Jesus Wept

video doesn't show what they were upto prior to the cop trying to arrest them.

SuperSean11

The-Rigger wrote:

video doesn't show what they were upto prior to the cop trying to arrest them.

Why what were they doing??

Jesus Wept

SuperSean11 wrote:

Why what were they doing??

I don't know, it didn't show. Kind of important though in the context of his reactions.

SuperSean11

Well maybe the point is they were doing nothing But i dont think your allowed skate on the path

BENJAMIN61

SuperSean11 wrote:

Well maybe the point is they were doing nothing But i dont think your allowed skate on the path

yes you are

Jesus Wept

SuperSean11 wrote:

Well maybe the point is they were doing nothing But i dont think your allowed skate on the path

Well they would want to make that point, and maybe it is the case.

Maybe it isn't, I didn't see what happened before he started arresting them.

SuperSean11

We cant realy make a conclusion from here.
To America:rolleyes:

BENJAMIN61

SuperSean11 wrote:

We cant realy make a conclusion from here.
To America:rolleyes:

sean are you american

Jesus Wept

I might be the only one here who didn't make a conclusion.

PeakOutput

maxitwist wrote:

Ok not that I think you are or anything like that but you sound like such a tool there man!

meh

T-Maxx

Bottom line - the cops are always right.

Period.

dazftw

There both wrong tbh.


In america its illegal to skate down town?

but what the cop was doing was totally wrong.

Recon20k

that guy should not be a cop, i dont think he knew what the £uck he was at. That whole situation got way outta control.

Dyr

OMG, The bad policeman expects me to be responsible for my actions and wont let me break the law. That's like totally a police state and stuff.boo hoo.

T-Maxx

Bambi wrote:

OMG, The bad policeman expects me to be responsible for my actions and wont let me break the law. That's like totally a police state and stuff.boo hoo.

Maybe one day when you've grown up, have a job, pay taxes, have kids, a mortgage etc. you'd hopefully see the bigger picture...

PeakOutput

T-Maxx wrote:

Maybe one day when you've grown up, have a job, pay taxes, have kids, a mortgage etc. you'd hopefully see the bigger picture...

he is seeing the bigger picture its called the law

T-Maxx

PeakOutput wrote:

he is seeing the bigger picture its called the law

The actions of one cop do not warrant total anarchy.

PeakOutput

T-Maxx wrote:

The actions of one cop do not warrant total anarchy.

exactly. are you arguing the same thing I am???

bambi was being sarcastic. The cop used the force HE felt was necessary to restrain people who did their best to resist arrest. he may have gone overboard but it ensured that the people he wanted to take into custody were taken into custody simple as. a knee on your back does not constitute a rabid blood thirsty police officer

T-Maxx

Are you sure he was being sarcastic? I re-read his post and it still doesn't seem like sarcasm to me though. Maybe it's just me ...:o

FiannaGym.com

You guys have a stunningly shallow understanding of policing. Until you have read up on the subject dont you think you should remain quite?

T-Maxx

FiannaGym.com wrote:

You guys have a stunningly shallow understanding of policing. Until you have read up on the subject dont you think you should remain quite?

Ahhhh, why don't you enlighten us with your extensive knowledge then please...:rolleyes:

Dyr

Indeed but even with this stunningly shallow knowledge of policing we can safely assert the following:

Flouting laws in front of the police can lead to your arrest. Apparently its a part of their job to arrest people for breaking the law.

That, if you will insist on interfering with a nice policeman while he's arresting you friend, he might just arrest you too.

Although if your some whiny kid from a privilleged background then none of this applies and any attempt to make you accountable for your actions is evidence of a police state.

griffdaddy

T-Maxx wrote:

Bottom line - the cops are always right.

Period.

I wouldn't agree with that, go to any district court on a weekday and watch how many cases they fúck up because of improper procedure or misinterpretation of the law.

PeakOutput

griffdaddy wrote:

I wouldn't agree with that, go to any district court on a weekday and watch how many cases they fúck up because of improper procedure or misinterpretation of the law.

that does not mean the those defendants should not have been arrested or brought to court it just means they got off on a technicality

fianna i dont know weather you were refering to the people who were "defending" the cop or calling america a police state but either way BOTH are entitled to air their views on a public forum no matter how "ignorant" of the subject you believe them to be

Fri_day

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/National/194202

T-Maxx

Bambi wrote:

Indeed but even with this stunningly shallow knowledge of policing we can safely assert the following:

Flouting laws in front of the police can lead to your arrest. Apparently its a part of their job to arrest people for breaking the law.

That, if you will insist on interfering with a nice policeman while he's arresting you friend, he might just arrest you too.

Although if your some whiny kid from a privilleged background then none of this applies and any attempt to make you accountable for your actions is evidence of a police state.

Sarcasm it was then! Sorry for the misinterpretation!:)

FiannaGym.com

Lex injusta non est lex.

Basically, in this instance the Police Officer committed greater crimes to enforce lesser ones. While I'm not getting into the whole philosophy of policing in the west I am going to say this. The police officer in question was wreckless, agressive and escalated the situation and lost control of it in so doing.

Not only did he make the whole situation messy and out of control he also wasted valuable time in the process, thus alienating those children.

Police are in a position of power, when they loose control of a situation their power is undermined, the whole force and establishment is undermined. Rather than mediating between "criminals", youngsters, the public at large and the community this Police Officer made rash descisions that cause more community divides. Sure he'll keep himself in the job (through increased crime rates) but that is hardly his goal.

Simply put this is bad police work. Bad police work has as many negative affects as good police work has positive.

The reason the Police Officer is there in the first place is because kids will be kids, laws are there to assist society remain peacful and safe (depending on your cultural definition of these etc). When those laws conflict with this and could escalate a situation and therefore having a negative effect on society overall those laws should simply be ignored (just like in a demostic dispute).

Once again, my point is, this is bad police work. Thats from a societal point of view maybe his techniques were well trained etc. But what I saw was chaos induced by the police officers actions. Letting the kids skate down the street, engaging them as a guardian of society the police officer could have said "Hey guys, you know you cant skate here, do me a favour". Or something that would get the point across, bridge the growing gap between police and youth in america, increase the community bonds and basically lead to a calm, peacful community. Rather than the violent chaos in this video.

Of course it's hard to do, of course its easy to judge from my armchair but that is what we do. And in reviewing in this situation maybe good will come of it. I think this is where the Irish Police Force really excel. In knowing when to follow the letter of the law and when to follow the "spirit" of the law rather than nit pik.

Peace

Fremen

I think fianna summed the whole affair up quite nicely. The cop could easily just have confiscated their boards, and had the kids pick them up at the station later. That's a quick, clean solution to the problem.

Instead, he put himself into a position he couldn't back down from without looking weak, and the situation escalated from there.

Dyr

So when you said people had a shallow understanding of policing what you actually meant was that they had a shallow understanding of what you think policing should be. Im not going to get into the whole policing models argument but suffice to say I pretty much disagree fundamentally with fiannas viewpoint.

Interestingly enough the kids didnt post the footage of the behaviour that led to the initial arrest. Of course you can make assumptions of how appropriate the cops response was initially but they will only ever be assumptions when you've no idea what occured prior to that.

Anywhoo, Kiddies made a point of breaking a law as some kind of statement and were duly arrested, on that footage it was their own behaviour that triggered the cops response at every turn after the initial arrest. Hopefully they've now learned a valuable lesson, dont break laws and dont interfere with cops when they're arresting peeples.

Basically, in this instance the Police Officer committed greater crimes to enforce lesser ones

Or, on a more basic and accurate level, he didnt commit any crimes.

FiannaGym.com

Bambi,

If the Police Officer was preventing a crime like armed robbery then choking a little girl would not be a crime, however, since she is just a little girl skate boarding he way over shot the mark. As such, assuming this is not a police state, he acted way over what was reasonable. In other words he was excessive.

Furthermore, if the children are causing public order offences by skate boarding he is causing havoc (not just public disorder) with his actions. He commits the greatest grime of undermining the police, his entire force and the establishment and deepens the divide between the establishment and youth.

As for me saying people have a shallow understanding, I didnt mean just in my understanding but in the overall complexities of this issue. And your reply pretty much illustrates this.

For example, you say you fundamentally disagree with my viewpoint of what policing should be, which was? What do I think policing should be? I'm fairly sure my last post didnt say what it should be.

Do you disagree with me that the police should protect society, invest its limited time wisely rather than recklessly and keep it society peacful and safe?

Lex injusta non est lex.

Peace

Fozzy

I can't find the link now, but I was reading earlier that the cop involved in that video was not charged with anything by the police force. Have to say I'm a bit surprised on one hand, but on the other it's not the first story like this that I've heard of

Dyr

FiannaGym.com wrote:

Bambi,

If the Police Officer was preventing a crime like armed robbery then choking a little girl would not be a crime, however, since she is just a little girl skate boarding he way over shot the mark.

Actually, he didnt arrest her for skating, he gave a whole list of reasons for arresting them none of which involved skateboards. Watch the video again.
I would also assume that you know a decent chokehold when you see one. Did that kid look like she was being choked out?

Oddly enough, the "he should be out arresting bank robbers" argument is the one used by people who like to break traffic laws in cars. Same difference.

FiannaGym.com wrote:

Furthermore, if the children are causing public order offences by skate boarding he is causing havoc (not just public disorder) with his actions. He commits the greatest grime of undermining the police, his entire force and the establishment and deepens the divide between the establishment and youth.

Who decides that he undermined the police? You? The media? The people who broke the law? Their Parents? The Duly elected representatives of the voters? The public servants appointed to administer legal matters?

The police are generally giving discretion in dealing with incidents like this. The police officer in this instance decided not to use it and was found to be justified in that decision through due process. Yet you're second guessing him on the basis of edited footage, which apparently you didnt pay much attention to given that you're under the impression that a young girl was arrested for skateboarding.

FiannaGym.com wrote:

As for me saying people have a shallow understanding, I didnt mean just in my understanding but in the overall complexities of this issue. And your reply pretty much illustrates this.

Cool argument, I'll use it too. No, YOUR reply illustrates a lack of understanding of the issues the police face in such situations. nyeh. :b.

FiannaGym.com wrote:

Lex injusta non est lex.

"Just because i dont care doesnt mean I dont understand"
Homer J Simpson

Peace