bootcamp

eurotrotter

im just after fitting a new internal HD to my macbook,
before i used carbon clone copy, i attached the 'to be' internal HD to the macbook via USB and had it sit in an sata enclosure.
So before using carbon clone copy i went into disk utility and erased the contents of the volume and formatted it in mac os extended (journaled)

i then proceeded with carbon clone copy.
fitted the HDand the macbook worked away grand with its new internal HD.
I then went to run bootcamp which i had installed.
but an error message popped up as soon as i went to run it, check out hte attached image.

can anyone tell me wher i went wrong?!
i thougt i did everything correctly, obviously not!!
any advice would be greatly apprecaited
thanks in advance
ed

Sad Professor

Did you use Bootcamp before? On the old hd before cloning?

EDIT: Also, open Disk Utility and select the new drive. Look down at the bottom, where it says Partition Scheme, what is it? GUID or APM?

Sad Professor

Alright forget the above, it's almost definitely the partition table that's the problem, eurotrotter. I actually mentioned this to you in your last thread, here. But I did so only in the context of partitioning as I thought you were just using the external hd for backup. Had you told me you were replacing your internal hd with it I might have warned you. But come to think of it you've been talking about this for a while, I should have remembered, sorry.

Anyway when you erased the hd it was in an external enclosure so Disk Utility automatically used Apple Partition Map, probably for the extra compatibility with PPC macs. However in order to boot from multiple partitions on an intel mac the drive needs to be in GUID. Disk Utility should give this option in the Erase tab but it doesn't.

There's no getting around this I'm afraid, so you'll have to reformat. This time to be safe, use the Partition tab in Disk Utility, select 1 partition and choose GUID from options. You'll then have to restore again from your old hd using CCC.

Just confirm that the hd isn't already in GUID first.

Hope this helps.

eurotrotter

thanks a millio for the help prof

will do that tonite now when i get home.
so il reformat the hd in mas os extended (jrounaled)
go into disk utility and select the partition tab and choose partition one, and click on options and hit the guid radio button.
and then i will use carbon clone copy to clone the HD
sounds good to me!

one other thing iv noticed about my macbook, i have the macintosh HD showing up on the desktop with the information regardin total size and total size available. This information does not reconcile with the same information that is retrieved when u right click the macintosh HD and click "get info"

i wonder wat this is?

the get info option is showing: 76gb's of free space, whereas teh desktop infomation is showing 43gb of free space, the total space for both optiuons are the same.
weird eh?!
has anyone else experienced this with their machines?

thanks for the help prof, much appreciated, id be lost without u!
ed

Sad Professor wrote:

Alright forget the above, it's almost definitely the partition table that's the problem, eurotrotter. I actually mentioned this to you in your last thread, here. But I did so only in the context of partitioning as I thought you were just using the external hd for backup. Had you told me you were replacing your internal hd with it I might have warned you. But come to think of it you've been talking about this for a while, I should have remembered, sorry.

Anyway when you erased the hd it was in an external enclosure so Disk Utility automatically used Apple Partition Map, probably for the extra compatibility with PPC macs. However in order to boot from multiple partitions on an intel mac the drive needs to be in GUID. Disk Utility should give this option in the Erase tab but it doesn't.

There's no getting around this I'm afraid, so you'll have to reformat. This time to be safe, use the Partition tab in Disk Utility, select 1 partition and choose GUID from options. You'll then have to restore again from your old hd using CCC.

Just confirm that the hd isn't already in GUID first.

Hope this helps.

Sad Professor

eurotrotter wrote:

will do that tonite now when i get home.
so il reformat the hd in mas os extended (jrounaled)
go into disk utility and select the partition tab and choose partition one, and click on options and hit the guid radio button.
and then i will use carbon clone copy to clone the HD
sounds good to me!

You can select Mac OS Extended Journaled in the the partition tab, no need to reformat twice. In fact you may not even need use the partition tab, now that the hd is internal, Disk Utility should automatically use GUID. So try using the Erase tab and see.

Of course you'll have to be booted up off another disk for all this to work. Is your external enclosure firewire?

one other thing iv noticed about my macbook, i have the macintosh HD showing up on the desktop with the information regardin total size and total size available. This information does not reconcile with the same information that is retrieved when u right click the macintosh HD and click "get info"

hmmm, I'm not really sure what you mean here. You mean at the bottom of the finder window?

eurotrotter

i just went into disk utility there and made the changes;
1. selected guid from the choice of radio buttons
2. selected partition 1 from the drop down menu
then i ran bootcamp but the same error message came up
so imm thinking i should just start over and do it all from the beginning

prof, i dont understand wat u mean by not needing to reformat twice?


regarding the remaining file size information under the icon on the desktop:
i tinkered with the settings a bit so that the disk information would be displayed under the ocon for each drive, be it a flash drive, internal HD or a HD in an enclosure.

thanks for the help prof

Sad Professor wrote:

You can select Mac OS Extended Journaled in the the partition tab, no need to reformat twice. In fact you may not even need use the partition tab, now that the hd is internal, Disk Utility should automatically use GUID. So try using the Erase tab and see.

Of course you'll have to be booted up off another disk for all this to work. Is your external enclosure firewire?


hmmm, I'm not really sure what you mean here. You mean at the bottom of the finder window?

Sad Professor

Ok first of all, can you confirm that the current partition table isn't GUID? Select the hd (not the volume) in Disk Utility and look at the bottom, it should say there.

To change the partition scheme the whole disk must be erased and reformatted. So just selecting those options is no good, you must click erase/partition. Of course you'll have to be booted up from another disk.

Is your old hd still bootable? All your data is still there, right?

Sad Professor

eurotrotter wrote:

regarding the remaining file size information under the icon on the desktop:
i tinkered with the settings a bit so that the disk information would be displayed under the ocon for each drive, be it a flash drive, internal HD or a HD in an enclosure.

Ah yes, I know what you mean now. I wouldn't worry about it too much, it's the Get Info data that should be correct. Might be a bug of some sort, turning it off and back on again might fix it.

eurotrotter

ah rite im with ya now, know exactly what ya mean.
ya i have the original internal HD sitting and waiting to be put ta use, so i can get craacking at it tonite!

thats teh job now!

Sad Professor wrote:

Ok first of all, can you confirm that the current partition table isn't GUID? Select the hd (not the volume) in Disk Utility and look at the bottom, it should say there.

To change the partition scheme the whole disk must be erased and reformatted. So just selecting those options is no good, you must click erase/partition. Of course you'll have to be booted up from another disk.

Is your old hd still bootable? All your data is still there, right?

eurotrotter

will give that a go, cos its annyoing can be scarily misleading.
this morngin i switched on the macbook and she told me i had 40 gigs of space remaining on the drive iwhen the get info was telling me 72gigs :eek:

Sad Professor wrote:

Ah yes, I know what you mean now. I wouldn't worry about it too much, it's the Get Info data that should be correct. Might be a bug of some sort, turning it off and back on again might fix it.

Sad Professor

eurotrotter wrote:

will give that a go, cos its annyoing can be scarily misleading.
this morngin i switched on the macbook and she told me i had 40 gigs of space remaining on the drive iwhen the get info was telling me 72gigs :eek:

Yeah, unless it's some sort of after-affect of using CCC.

Maybe try using Disk Utility's "restore" feature next time. It works much the same, although it can be a bit picky sometimes.

eurotrotter

thanks for that, will give i a shot tonite,
will let u know how i get on tomorow morning anway!
fingers crossed now she'll be grand!
thanks man!

Sad Professor wrote:

Yeah, unless it's some sort of after-affect of using CCC.

Maybe try using Disk Utility's "restore" feature next time. It works much the same, although it can be a bit picky sometimes.

eurotrotter

i just tried it all there again and teh setting are no different, it hasnt changed form partition table to guid and under the partition tab its still down as current rather than partition 1
any ideas?
are u sure its 'parrtition1 ' that is to be selected t ofacilitate windows?
thanks for your help prof
ed

Sad Professor

Did you select "GUID Partition Table" from options? And did you format the disk? After the erase it will list the partitions as "current" but it doesn't matter, the important thing is that at the bottom it lists the Partition scheme as "GUID" and NOT "Apple Partition Map".

I've attached a pic, look at the bottom, under SMART status, see the partition scheme, this is how yours should look too.

If it still says Apple Partition Map, then try just doing a regular erase, now that the disk is internal Disk Utility will hopefully do it automatically.

eurotrotter

i erased the disk, selected guid, amd then i slected partition 1,
than i used CCC to copy the contents

i think i did everything correctly?

Sad Professor wrote:

Did you select "GUID Partition Table" from options? And did you format the disk? After the erase it will list the partitions as "current" but it doesn't matter, the important thing is that at the bottom it lists the Partition scheme as "GUID" and NOT "Apple Partition Map".

I've attached a pic, look at the bottom, under SMART status, see the partition scheme, this is how yours should look too.

If it still says Apple Partition Map, then try just doing a regular erase, now that the disk is internal Disk Utility will hopefully do it automatically.

Sad Professor

The important thing is that it now says "GUID Partition table" at the bottom, like in the screenshot I uploaded. Does it?

eurotrotter

no it still says apple partition map at the bottom.
any ideas?

Sad Professor wrote:

The important thing is that it now says "GUID Partition table" at the bottom, like in the screenshot I uploaded. Does it?

Sad Professor

Ok, your going to have to do this again, I'm afraid. The last time I think you got confused about the partition and erase tab or I didn't explain it properly so I'll outline it better this time. The problem is really with Disk Utility which should being doing this automatically but it won't for some reason. I had a lot problems with it recently as well.

Here goes:

* boot up from another disk (your old hd I assume)
* Open Disk Utility, select your internal hd
* Ignore the erase tab, you don't need it!!

* Instead click the Partition tab
* Select "1 Partition" from the menu
* Select "Mac OS Extended Journaled" from the format menu
* Click Options and select "GUID Partition table"

* Click "Partition" at the bottom

Disk Utility will now erase and format your hd. When it's finished check and see if it's now reporting GUID at the bottom.

Good luck! Sorry for any confusion.

big_moe

where the hell can i get my hands on a 2.5" SATA usb enclosure?!?!?!?!

i've just ordered a 250GB samsung hard drive for my macbook but i want an enclosure to copy the disc image across.

i was thinking of just doing a clean install onto the new hard drive, but still the enclosure would be handy for copying my info over.

cheers
moe

eurotrotter

www.computergiants.com is where i got mine, im in USA RIGHT now though,
u kood get it delivered to my address if needs be and i can forward it onto u

big_moe wrote:

where the hell can i get my hands on a 2.5" SATA usb enclosure?!?!?!?!

i've just ordered a 250GB samsung hard drive for my macbook but i want an enclosure to copy the disc image across.

i was thinking of just doing a clean install onto the new hard drive, but still the enclosure would be handy for copying my info over.

cheers
moe

eurotrotter

but i keep the new hd in the macbook itself and keep the former internal HD in teh enclsoure, how do i choose boot from the old HD in the enclosure, since both the HDs are carrbon copies of each other?
so ur saying i dont need to delete anything fro the new HD?- awesome

so how come i dont need to do any of this erasing and reformatting molarky this time, is it cos its internal and not sitting in an enclosure?

Sad Professor wrote:

Ok, your going to have to do this again, I'm afraid. The last time I think you got confused about the partition and erase tab or I didn't explain it properly so I'll outline it better this time. The problem is really with Disk Utility which should being doing this automatically but it won't for some reason. I had a lot problems with it recently as well.

Here goes:

* boot up from another disk (your old hd I assume)
* Open Disk Utility, select your internal hd
* Ignore the erase tab, you don't need it!!

* Instead click the Partition tab
* Select "1 Partition" from the menu
* Select "Mac OS Extended Journaled" from the format menu
* Click Options and select "GUID Partition table"

* Click "Partition" at the bottom

Disk Utility will now erase and format your hd. When it's finished check and see if it's now reporting GUID at the bottom.

Good luck! Sorry for any confusion.

Sad Professor

eurotrotter wrote:

but i keep the new hd in the macbook itself and keep the former internal HD in teh enclsoure, how do i choose boot from the old HD in the enclosure, since both the HDs are carrbon copies of each other?
so ur saying i dont need to delete anything fro the new HD?- awesome

No, of course you have to delete it, you can't change the partition map otherwise. The whole thing must be reformatted, all data erased. How did you erase it the last time? Did you boot from the OSX Install disc?

If your enclosure (with your old hd in it) is firewire you can boot from that, the fact that it's a clone doesn't matter.

Otherwise you'll have to boot from the OSX install disc, reformat as I described and then use Disk Utility's restore feature to to copy the old hd contents over.

I get the feeling you erased the wrong disk last time. :eek:

eurotrotter

il have to boot from the install disc since the enclosure is only usb2.0
how do i select the disc as teh boot source?
is there any chance u can just write out the steps involved in competing this, hopefully i might get it thru to my thick head then!

thanks man

Sad Professor wrote:

No, of course you have to delete it, you can't change the partition map otherwise. The whole thing must be reformatted, all data erased. How did you erase it the last time? Did you boot from the OSX Install disc?

If your enclosure (with your old hd in it) is firewire you can boot from that, the fact that it's a clone doesn't matter.

Otherwise you'll have to boot from the OSX install disc, reformat as I described and then use Disk Utility's restore feature to to copy the old hd contents over.

I get the feeling you erased the wrong disk last time. :eek:

Sad Professor

Is the data on your old hd safe? Make sure before starting this.

Just pop in the Install cd and restart. Hold down the c key and it will boot from the cd. It'll be a bit slow. Ignore the installer and open Disk Utility from the Utilities menu.

Now since you're booting from the Install cd those the extra steps in the partition tab shouldn't be necessary. So you can just erase the internal hd as normal. Forget about the Partition tab, just make sure that after re-formatting the hd that GUID is listed at the bottom. If not you'll have to follow the steps I outlined earlier.

Provided this was successful, connect up your old hd and click on the restore tab in Disk Utility. This works much the same a Carbon Copy Cloner. Choose the old hd as the source and the new hd as the destination. Click restore. It will copy everything over.

When all is done quit Disk Utility, choose Startup Disk from the Utilities menu, select your internal hd and restart.

If you run into any problems you'll probably have to do a reinstall (which tbh is probably what you should have done in the first place).

Anyway good luck and follow the instructions carefully.

eurotrotter

thanks for all teh help man
much appreciated it
just one thing to clarify before we go any further, do you know they way there is an 'apply button' in windows, do i just close teh window in an apple or is there some way of cionfirming/apply button somwhere?
and with regard the erase procedure - wat options/buttons do i choose to erase the HD

and with regard the reformat procedure - wat optio/buttons do i choose to reformat the HD

thanks prof

Sad Professor wrote:

Is the data on your old hd safe? Make sure before starting this.

Just pop in the Install cd and restart. Hold down the c key and it will boot from the cd. It'll be a bit slow. Ignore the installer and open Disk Utility from the Utilities menu.

Now since you're booting from the Install cd those the extra steps in the partition tab shouldn't be necessary. So you can just erase the internal hd as normal. Forget about the Partition tab, just make sure that after re-formatting the hd that GUID is listed at the bottom. If not you'll have to follow the steps I outlined earlier.

Provided this was successful, connect up your old hd and click on the restore tab in Disk Utility. This works much the same a Carbon Copy Cloner. Choose the old hd as the source and the new hd as the destination. Click restore. It will copy everything over.

When all is done quit Disk Utility, choose Startup Disk from the Utilities menu, select your internal hd and restart.

If you run into any problems you'll probably have to do a reinstall (which tbh is probably what you should have done in the first place).

Anyway good luck and follow the instructions carefully.

Sad Professor

Hey eurotrotter, sorry I only just got home.

The only place on osx than I've ever really come across the apply button is on certain system prefs. Some third party apps have it also. It's usually pretty clear.

Erasing and formatting is more or less the same thing. If you're just doing a simple erase (via the erase tab) then you just click the "erase" button. But in the partition tab you click the "partition" button.

You understand what a partition is right? When erasing/formatting a hd you have the choice to split it into separate volumes. This is usually to keep different operating systems separate from each other, e.g. Bootcamp. Partitioning a drive erases all info on it. (Although Bootcamp can do it without this happening, but it's still a risk).

eurotrotter

wat can i say prof, your my man of the month!!!!
u got it working for me
got xp now, running longside the mac os x! fatastic, delighted!
thanks a million for your patience, koodnt have done it without your help!
was playing GTA for a bit n all last nite, brilliant!
pity now i cant buy u a beer or something!
merci beaucoup!
ed

eurotrotter

wat can i say prof, your my man of the month!!!!
u got it working for me
got xp now, running longside the mac os x! fatastic, delighted!
thanks a million for your patience, koodnt have done it without your help!
was playing GTA for a bit n all last nite, brilliant!
pity now i cant buy u a beer or something!
merci beaucoup!
ed

Sad Professor

No prob, glad to hear you got it working.