some cash hands?

Trippie

A few hands from this weekends session so far

hand 1

1/2 pl cash in jackpot im playing about 875, the table is well known to me with fish,mick,mark, ross and then some others. fish is playing about 750

fish blind stradlles it to 7, he does this ever time and if it is raised he repots it no matter who raises, mick folds and i limp for 7 with AJd, two callers and the flop is

Qd Jh 10d, fish bets out 30, i raise to 80, does a flat call work better here?

turn is 8c and fish makes it 190, whats my action here?

i was in between pushing the turn or not but i decided to just call and see the river and if i hit then fine but if i miss im only losing 300 as opposed to my entire stack, the river was a Q and he instapushed with Q9 for the straight and i folded

hand 2

second hand of the night on friday with the table just opening and mark has topped up already.

AKQJ10 is playing 250+ and i cover with about 375.

a few limpers with me in the sb, mark is bb, i make it 6 to go with 67, he calls as a few others do the flop is 4s 5c 9d

i make it 15 and he reraises it 40, i call. turn is 7, i make it 50?should i bet out again? he pushes for 150 more? the pot is 360, can a call be found there?

i called as i cash in my pocket and was willing to gamble early on and try and build a stack, i spiked a three for the straight against his top pair J kicker

hand 3

late on on friday night im playing 1k+ and the table is really well known with lot of the usual regulars

i minraise utg, i had been doing it a lot with muck so i was expecting to reraised somewhere down the line, ross makes it a tenner a few callers and its back to me with AKd, i make it 50 to go and get two callers and im between ross and mark with 1.5K and 500 respectively.

flop is As Kc Jc and its checked to me, i bet out 100 which i had been my standard flop bet if i hit or not for the last few hands, one fold and mark reraises it to 300? he has 135 behind do i just shove it in and face most likely Q10 or does the likes of AJ,Ax of clubs, straight draw with flush draw do the same?

i stuck it in and he called with Q10 for his last 135 but didnt realise how strong i was so there was a little nervousness with the turn and river being dealt

hand 4

its really late in the moring now and we have just moved to the last holdem table which hasnt really been playing that big. we all arrive over with 600+


first hand, ross utg makes it 7, one caller and im on button with AKc, i reraise to 20, he then makes it 75 to go and i flat call. is it all pretty standard so far?

pot is 150

flop comes As Kd Qd, utg bets out 100, do i reraise and if so how much?

I knew i was behind but for some reason i couldnt stop my hands pushing 250 more over the line and then i was priced in too call when he shipped it only for him to turn over AA so that was that

Chucky the tree

Hand 1:
Why did you re-pot it preflop? Thats the first thing i would do. I honestly dont know what to do on the turn, i'd be tempted to go over the top of him again but thats probaly wrong.

Hand 2:
Check the turn. Leading out for half looks awful and is asking to be raised. your just inflating the pot with a marignal hand, c/c or c/f depending on the size of the bet. As played fold the turn.

Hand 3:
i am getting it all in.


Hand 4:
Very player dependent, if he has a loose pre-flop raising range form UTG then its okay, if i was against an unknown i wouldnt 3bet with AKs. I'll let some else answer the flop cos i dont know, probaly just call though.

sikes

hand1- raise preflop, you really want to get heads up with this guy. are you heads up now? any particular reads on the guy? would he play a draw like this ? id raise more on the flop

hand2 - preflop is crazy, i have no idea what the reason for it is. you bloating th e pot from the sb with a poor hand and reopening the betting.

hand3- yes go broke, so much out there you are ahead of.

hands4- raise more preflop, id fold now. is he really 4betting AQ or leading an underpair to the board on the flop?

Theresalwaysone

Ah Gordon, pretty sure this means nothing to you but here goes:

Hand 1: Dodgey enough, I think Ive played with fish twice and one of the times he played pocket queens blind til the turn and proceeded to call down huge on a K high board. The other guy had queens too. Sick hand.

Anyway I fold here. I don't know enough about the villain only that he plays very loose. That being said I feel he has you beat. q10?qj?a9?

Hand 2: Fold the turn.

Hand 3:Ship it in, I cant see mark playing q10. Not after the preflop minraise, re-raise, and re-re raise. Possible AJ or AQ of clubs. Or air if he's tilting

Hand 4: Thats a tough Spot. I can see a set here a lot. 4bet preflop, He bet out knowing you must have at least an ace good kicker to be re-raising pre flop even from the button. You don't position re-raise do you? I doubt he is 4betting kq or aq and thats all you beat really?
EDIT: You could be playing for a split.

All advice not to be taken seriously, I am a complete Rock.

Trippie

Chucky the tree wrote:

Hand 1:
Why did you re-pot it preflop? Thats the first thing i would do. I honestly dont know what to do on the turn, i'd be tempted to go over the top of him again but thats probaly wrong.

i didnt reraise it preflop because i probably would of gotten 2/3 callers at 25 and then the blind raiser would of potted it for 100+ and i didnt want to be calling that with AJ. I was also thinking of reraising the turn however he has to have the made straight with a 9 in my opinion so most likely i would be called so there i no point in risking 500+ on a draw no matter how big

Hand 2:
Check the turn. Leading out for half looks awful and is asking to be raised. your just inflating the pot with a marignal hand, c/c or c/f depending on the size of the bet. As played fold the turn.

i have a lot of history with the guy in the hand and figured he would call with any made hand expecting me to bet again and come over the top with any weak holding.

Trippie

Theresalwaysone wrote:

Ah Gordon, pretty sure this means nothing to you but here goes:

Hand 1: Dodgey enough, I think Ive played with fish twice and one of the times he played pocket queens blind til the turn and proceeded to call down huge on a K high board. The other guy had queens too. Sick hand.

Anyway I fold here. I don't know enough about the villain only that he plays very loose. That being said I feel he has you beat. q10?qj?a9?

i figured he was ahead when he came out betting 190 but does my nut straight draw and nut flush draw not entice a call on the turn?

Hand 3:Ship it in, I cant see mark playing q10. Not after the preflop minraise, re-raise, and re-re raise. Possible AJ or AQ of clubs. Or air if he's tilting

Hand 4: Thats a tough Spot. I can see a set here a lot. 4bet preflop, He bet out knowing you must have at least an ace good kicker to be re-raising pre flop even from the button. You don't position re-raise do you? I doubt he is 4betting kq or aq and thats all you beat really?
EDIT: You could be playing for a split.

All advice not to be taken seriously, I am a complete Rock.

i think hand 3 just plays itself really.

everyone knows that i am extremely loose preflop and that i will reraise it a lot of time with nothing dependent on the villian and my position so he could be making the same play with 10's,J's or AQ as i see them a lot of the time when i have a decent hand, however at the time i felt the only logical hand i could put him on was a set of queens or air as he bluffed me off a half decent pot the other day and bluffed anther guy off another pot earlier in the night.

Theresalwaysone

Trippie wrote:

i figured he was ahead when he came out betting 190 but does my nut straight draw and nut flush draw not entice a call on the turn?

I don't think so, we're assuming you have the 4 kings, and 8 diamonds, so your around 25% to make your hand.

I cant see him on anything less than two pair here.

You may be justified to call if you feel he will call a bet if you hit one of your cards.

Trippie

Theresalwaysone wrote:

I don't think so, we're assuming you have the 4 kings, and 8 diamonds, so your around 25% to make your hand.

I cant see him on anything less than two pair here.

You may be justified to call if you feel he will call a bet if you hit one of your cards.

if he has two pair then i have the ace and possibly the jack as outs aswell. i played a big hand against him earlier on where i flopped the nut flush and he potted it all the way to the river with two of us behind him and i tripled up so he doesnt seem to check a lot and tries to force his hand home on all streets so i would be confident of getting paid

Theresalwaysone

Well then you've answered your own question. So what happened in all then hands?

Chucky the tree

Trippie wrote:

i didnt reraise it preflop because i probably would of gotten 2/3 callers at 25 and then the blind raiser would of potted it for 100+ and i didnt want to be calling that with AJ. I was also thinking of reraising the turn however he has to have the made straight with a 9 in my opinion so most likely i would be called so there i no point in risking 500+ on a draw no matter how big

Thats excactly what you should want. I want to get as much money into the pot pre-flop. He's been doing this with ATC so AJs is crushing his range. I'd be re-rasing this with hands weaker then AJs.

If hes as spewy post-flop as he is pre-flop i'd be wanting to get all my money in asap.


P.S stick the results in spoiler tags as a few more people will probaly reply.

Trippie

Chucky the tree wrote:

Thats excactly what you should want. I want to get as much money into the pot pre-flop. He's been doing this with ATC so AJs is crushing his range. I'd be re-rasing this with hands weaker then AJs.

If hes as spewy post-flop as he is pre-flop i'd be wanting to get all my money in asap.

i dont really play like that, i like to see flops and take it from there

Theresalwaysone

Chucky the tree wrote:

Thats excactly what you should want. I want to get as much money into the pot pre-flop. He's been doing this with ATC so AJs is crushing his range. I'd be re-rasing this with hands weaker then AJs.

If hes as spewy post-flop as he is pre-flop i'd be wanting to get all my money in asap.

Completely disagree with this, so he raises to 25 and gets 3 callers, then Fish re-pots it, Trippie calls the re-pot of ~100 with AJ and two to act behind him? I would imagine there calls for 25 have AJ beat and even if they don't seeing that flop anymore than two handed means that he is sure he is not ahead.

they have to put in 75 to win 200, getting nearly 3 to one.
I like the AJ limp here, it may have Fishes range crushed but I doubt it has the other two callers beaten by all that much, if at all.

Trippie

that was exactly my thinking and even if dont hit i would be facing a 250-400 bet on the flop regardless of what is there that i wouldnt be able to call two out of three times so i would just be spewing money away

Chucky the tree

Theresalwaysone wrote:

Completely disagree with this, so he raises to 25 and gets 3 callers, then Fish re-pots it, Trippie calls the re-pot of ~100 with AJ and two to act behind him? I would imagine there calls for 25 have AJ beat and even if they don't seeing that flop anymore than two handed means that he is sure he is not ahead.

they have to put in 75 to win 200, getting nearly 3 to one.
I like the AJ limp here, it may have Fishes range crushed but I doubt it has the other two callers beaten by all that much, if at all.

flat calling a raise with AJs from someone who does this with ATC is awful imo. IF they players behind you both call your re-pot then you can fold when the fish re-pots it too 100 if you think the two behind have a better hand. I am more then happy too risk $25 in the hope to get it HU against someone whos range his ATC.

Also, having a big pot on the flop will allow you too get all your money in which is what i want too do on this flop.

Trippie

in my opinion getting it all-in on a flop for 450bb with a draw is bad no matter how big the draw is

Trippie

Chucky the tree wrote:

flat calling a raise with AJs from someone who does this with ATC is awful imo. IF they players behind you both call your re-pot then you can fold when the fish re-pots it too 100 if you think the two behind have a better hand. I am more then happy too risk $25 in the hope to get it HU against someone whos range his ATC.

Also, having a big pot on the flop will allow you too get all your money in which is what i want too do on this flop.

i didnt flat call a raise it is a blind straddle, he is not a fish thats just his name he's a pretty decent holdem player

Theresalwaysone

Building a pot just so you can get your money in if it is favourable is terrible. Ok so the flop comes KKQ, rainbow, whats the point in having a big pot there?

I really dont understand that.

Plus he is effectively drawing.

Chucky the tree

Trippie wrote:

i didnt flat call a raise it is a blind straddle, he is not a fish thats just his name he's a pretty decent holdem player

Dont know what a blind straddle is, just googled it. So your basically limping with AJs?


lol - didnt realise that was his name, just presumed he was a fish.

Chucky the tree

Theresalwaysone wrote:

Building a pot just so you can get your money in if it is favourable is terrible. Ok so the flop comes KKQ, rainbow, whats the point in having a big pot there?

I really dont understand that.

Plus he is effectively drawing.

Because your up against a player who is doing this with cards like 72o, q3o ATs, 23s.

On a flop like KKQr your still well ahead of his range.

Trippie

lets say i was to to call a bet from him for 125 and the two behind me fold, the flop comes KKQ and he bets out 250 because his range is so big do you ship it knowing that your AJ will be good most of the time?

Theresalwaysone

I realise if a flop comes KKQ you are well ahead of HIS range, But I was saying that on the basis that if the pot was so big as chucky said then you would have more than Fish calling.

Therefore you are hardly ahead of the other caller(s) range!

Chucky the tree

Trippie wrote:

lets say i was to to call a bet from him for 125 and the two behind me fold, the flop comes KKQ and he bets out 250 because his range is so big do you ship it knowing that your AJ will be good most of the time?

If he c-bets every single time then its an ship for me.


TAO - thats why we raise pre-flop too see what kinda of hands the two behind us have. Juding by the way the table is playing everyone is limping with ATC when fish straddles it, so we raise to isolate and find out how good are hand is.

If one of the players behind calls or both call then when fish re-pops it too $100 when comes back to us thats when we have a decision too make. If the players behind are strong we can fold having only invested very little.

Theresalwaysone

ok

Chucky the tree

Dont take my word as gospel, i play NL 5 so hardly an expert. I am interested too see what the others thing though. Hopefully we will get a few more posts on it.

Trippie

Chucky the tree wrote:

If he c-bets every single time then its an ship for me.


TAO - thats why we raise pre-flop too see what kinda of hands the two behind us have. Juding by the way the table is playing everyone is limping with ATC when fish straddles it, so we raise to isolate and find out how good are hand is.

If one of the players behind calls or both call then when fish re-pops it too $100 when comes back to us thats when we have a decision too make. If the players behind are strong we can fold having only invested very little.

there is no way i am going to ship with AJ for 450+bb, thats just crazy with AJ because at the end of the day its only Ace high. they arent limping behind with ATC as the game is playing quite tight with people waiting to flop a hand so they can stack some of the more aggressive players.\

if we reraise behind to find out how good our hand is more often than not we lose our stack and we will only win roughly 150 so that has to make it extremely -ev

Chucky the tree

Trippie wrote:

there is no way i am going to ship with AJ for 450+bb, thats just crazy with AJ because at the end of the day its only Ace high. they arent limping behind with ATC as the game is playing quite tight with people waiting to flop a hand so they can stack some of the more aggressive players.\

if we reraise behind to find out how good our hand is more often than not we lose our stack and we will only win roughly 150 so that has to make it extremely -ev

thats why you raise pre-flop too see what the players behind do. If they call your $25 then you fold when fish re-pots it too $100. You are only losing $25.

If the players behind fold, you call fish $100 bet then shove over his bet no matter what the flop is.

Trippie

Chucky the tree wrote:

thats why you raise pre-flop too see what the players behind do. If they call your $25 then you fold when fish re-pots it too $100. You are only losing $25.

If the players behind fold, you call fish $100 bet then shove over his bet no matter what the flop is.

Why would i raise preflop knowing he is going to pot it with nothing and then fold when he pots it? id rather just lose 7 if i miss and if i do hit my hand is somewhat disguised so i may get paid off more than if had come out potting it.
How often do i go broke if i follow your line there? I have a 1/3 chance of hitting something on the flop so 2/3 i dont hit and i may get lucky a few times but i still lose my roll more times than i win a bit so that has to make it -ev

Chucky the tree

Trippie wrote:

Why would i raise preflop knowing he is going to pot it with nothing and then fold when he pots it? id rather just lose 7 if i miss and if i do hit my hand is somewhat disguised so i may get paid off more than if had come out potting it.
How often do i go broke if i follow your line there? I have a 1/3 chance of hitting something on the flop so 2/3 i dont hit and i may get lucky a few times but i still lose my roll more times than i win a bit so that has to make it -ev

hmmm, ok.

You raise pre-flop so you get the players behind you too fold as you dont want to see go heads up with fish. You also want to get as much money in the flop as possible.

Against ATC your 65% favourite pre-flop, now if in my book thats pretty good so i am happy to get as much money into the pot as i can.

On the flop against ATc you are 83% favourite - again that looks pretty good too me.

Theresalwaysone

"And He said thou shalt limp into Fish with Ajax pre-flop for it is proper and it is right"

This is the Gospel according to TAO