Panic when situation became live!!!

funkrooney

Hi guys,

I have done very little martial arts etc over the years, it has been quiete spaced out and I never stuck at any particular one, I am not very strong or in any great shape but I think I have some very very basic ability, same as anyone I suppose, :rolleyes:

I was recently involved in a very minor situation where I paniced, majorly, to the point where I froze on the spot, I think that desensitisation to this sort of thing may help me,

I heard of a fella called Geoff Thompson and his classes, something called animal day, I am looking to do something like this, I have no intention of grading etc, and am looking to develop street or real life defence systems, I am not looking to become a lunatic starting fights but I would like to be able to not feel like crying if a situation does arise,

If anyone knows of where I could do this in South Dublin or Town, on a saturday but not an entire day class I would really appreciate it,

Thanks guys,

O'Leprosy

funkrooney wrote:

Hi guys,

I was recently involved in a very minor situation where I paniced, majorly, to the point where I froze on the spot, I think that desensitisation to this sort of thing may help me,

Well, I wouldn't beat myself up over this momentary freeze. No one can say how they will react or how it will kick off when it starts. I mean if you were having a completely ****e day and the last straw was an argunemt with some scumbag as you were trying to mind your own business - wouldn't take much to get someone going then.

In Geoff Thompson's book Mind my Back, in the first or second chapter he really describes what it's like before the melee starts, the nervous tension, trying to control your feelings and fool the opposition that you really ****ting yourself and asking yourself - " is it really worth it and would I be better backing down " ? I remember Rickson Gracie once saying that fear and intelligence are two very closely related things, suffering from fear and anxiety is not neccessarily a bad thing. If someone like Rickson Gracie can get nervous and feel fear, well anyone can, even the scumbag whose peeing you off.

But do some martial arts, it will bring back your confidence but don't start thinking your superman after a few weeks lessons !!!

HammerHeadGym

You might try a book called, fear: the friend of exceptional people, by Geoff Thompson, an excellent book that deals with exactly this type of situation.

Odysseus

What you experienced sounds very like a very normal reaction to me. I would suggest that you look to take up some from of training, my perference is RBSD, and if you train regularly that will give you more exposure to this type of experience. However, it will take time and practice, so why not try a few difference classes and see which suits you better. Best of luck with it.

arybvtcw0eolkf

PM Jon here or over on www.maireland.proboards50.com

yomchi

No need here I am!

I was recently involved in a very minor situation where I paniced, majorly, to the point where I froze on the spot, I think that desensitisation to this sort of thing may help me

There can be many responses I can give to this. And by the way I am no expert in the field of self defence and don't proclaim to be an expert. I teach Urban Combatives based SD as an add on to combat sports - TKD.

I think you need to look at this situation for what it was - a minor situation.
Then ask yourself could it have been avoided, if so - how? and could you have done a better job in avoiding it? There is always a 'yes' answer to these questions.

About desensitisation. The only way you will become desensitised to real ife fighting situations is if you go into town every saturday, head into temple bar and pick as many fights with bigger blokes than you as possible. This is the only way you can seriously replicate that adrenal stress situation where the outcome of such a confrontation can never be foreseen. Of course I post that with my tongue firmly in my cheek . Animal day type training ended a long time back, and you probably won't find similar training methods in Ireland. You can pad up and go at it as best you can but its still a far cry short of the real thing. It would be a bit like a fireman desensitising to a major road crash by attending a staged accident with the casualities all actors and fake blood, he could do it over and over again and he will learn the fundamentals of attending to the casualty and assessing etc etc but when the real thing is presented ie - screaming casualities real blood, dead passengers, the scene is somewhat very different and very real. Anyway back to my point.. staged training can only offer limited help.

What you experienced during this minor situation was your own individuality, a part of your own true nature. Everyone of us here would probably react similarly if we get caught up in such circumstances. So don't beat yourself up over it. Sh1t happpens and life can throw these things at you as we all know.

You should ask yourself now, is your quest to better you fighting 'self' a knee jerk reaction to this minor situation?
If your aswer is honestly - yes. Well then you will not stay long training in any fighting system/sport. Your reason (foundation) for training will be based on fear (sand). With fear being a natural cousin of anger, it will be a combinatin of the 2 most detrimental emotions to positive living and healthy aspirations that will be encouraging your training - not good, and not sustainable!

I suggest you try any number of combat sports available here, through the training you will learn in the right club, what you are actually physically capable of - whether it be to punch really hard, kick really hard, choke really well or break really well. Through this your own confidence will develop naturally, a confidence in your physical capability that is. With physical confidence and an inate understanding of how your body works for you, the panic situation will greatly decrease. But you must train for the right reasons imo, get fit, get healthy, compete, become part of a club/cult (for us:o ) make new friends and enjoy it!

And next time you panic in a situation, meh - say hello to your own nature and recognise your part of a collective with many many millions being a part of it - Human Nature.
Now go back and ask yourself how you could have best avoided it, and share your experience here!

Now i'm to see shrek 3..:D

arybvtcw0eolkf

Shrek III........... Jeeze thank god Jon, thought you'd never shadup!.

funkrooney

Mairt wrote:

Shrek III........... Jeeze thank god Jon, thought you'd never shadup!.

Ha ha ha, thanks a million for all that Jon,

I tried to avoid it at all costs to be honest because I really did not want to be in a row, I was trying to talk my way out of it but I could'nt!!

Do you guys, very general I know, find that it offered you guys more confidence etc in your everyday lives, I reckon I'm not fundamentally that happy a person and would lack self esteem and confidence (displaying this through a false show of massive amounts of confidence etc) I quit on a lot of things even though I show a natural ability and pick stuff quiete easily,

Probably not for this thread I agree but just said I would ask,

Thanks,

Roper

Yeah, well, to be honest I think maybe it is slightly off topic, but I understand why you're asking so I'll answer.

For me anyway, the best thing people should get out of martial arts or any sport or even any activity, is increased confidence in their ability to do... well, anything! I think this applies as much to crochet as it does to martial arts, but since we're in the martial arts forum, I'll stick to that!

A lot of people say they gain additional confidence form just being able to stick at it, the physical aspect drives improvement- you want to last longer, hit harder, be faster etc. and I think this transfers for some people into other areas of their life.

That being said, I don't know you! TKD might be for you or combatives or the aforementioned crochet, I'd keep an open mind because to be honest, the problem you see in front of you is rarely the real cause in my experience.

Thats about as philosophical as I get without a few jars on me- I'd go for something you reckoned you'd enjoy as opposed to going to do something you thought was going to solve problems.

jessy25

Hi, I have done Animal Day training with Aidan Carroll from www.kravmaga.ie , that was late last year, as far as I know he still does them. It seems to be by invite only.We had 8 in our group- and a lot of blood was spilt that day.This training is not for everyone.It is the hardest training I have ever done.I know Aidan and some of his Instructors trained with Geoff and still do. Give him a call and see how you get on.

Black Swan

Don't look for a quick solution, workshop, seminar, or book. Recommend that you pick an MA and stick with it for the long run.

Degsy

Nothing more dangerous than being half-trained in a street fight.I've seen people with a couple of years TKD experience throw big kicks,fall on thier arses and then be used as a trampoline by a scumbag.The fact is few people have the moral fibre to stand toe to toe in a real fighting situation where there's no referees or rounds.If you're not a violent person you're unlikely to do very well in a scrap so my advice is to avoid them if at all possible and remember that fear is normal and pride heals.