Dealing with Bullying

False_God

ok, I live in a small town where very little happens nor go's on. Im 17, medium built and VERY shy! I have medium lenght hair and I listen to rock music and everything else other than rap/pop/dance all that! In my town their are about 3 people who are into rock music opposed to the 100 people who hate that music (they like rap! surprise suprise) We are all aged 13-17 (All the youth)

Anyway cut to the chase!
One day me and my friend were walking down town and this group of 5-6 knackers/chavs came up to us asking for money! We said "We arent given you money" so they left me alone sorta harder target than my friend so they started asking him, and he didnt have money, so one of them started fighting him! Throwing punches etc. he was the youngest** out of the group and he's brother was their too (He would be around 17) So eventually they just gave up and left! But we were shook up, I wanted to dig in but I knew I wouldnt stand a chance!

The next day we went down town (4 of us) And the 2 brothers approached us this time aiming at me! The younger brother was asking me for money while the other bro wasnt their and i was saying "I dont have money to give you" So he left for about a minute and ran back asking me again! I went into a local chipper and sat down with my friends and then the two of them come in claiming I was given cheek to he's younger brother which I was not and asking me to fight him! Eventually they left because they found out I went to the same school as them! (dont ask)

Anyway I thought that was that, They mightent target me anymore! But today I decided to go to the shop and get a gift for my gf, I got it and had 2 euro for food left! So as I was walking up the street I saw the two brothers walking towards me and I was thinking "Ok, Im on my own and they left me last time" but I was wrong they started asking me for money and I said I needed it but they insisted I empty my pockets or they will "bate" me. So I had no choice and I gave them the 2 euro... Like they were sade enough to get me on my own!

Their family has a reputation, and I thought about getting my brothers into this but i dont wanna risk that! their parents dont give a **** what their kids do, the parents themselves raided graves for valuable goods so I can see the influence!

I just dont know what to do now??! We tried going to the guards but those fools would tell them that I reported them and prolly give my adress!! Like the only thing I can think of is never go downtown anymore.. Dont wanna risk it like specially since I now gave into the *****! they know they will get away with it!!

They truely are the scum of the earth the dirty ****ers!!! (Bar a few of them of course!)

****The two brothers+their family got kicked out of a town near by because no school would accept them and they were constantly causing alot of trouble everywhere.****

Darragh29

False_God wrote:

ok, I live in a small town where very little happens nor go's on. Im 17, medium built and VERY shy! I have medium lenght hair and I listen to rock music and everything else other than rap/pop/dance all that! In my town their are about 3 people who are into rock music opposed to the 100 people who hate that music (they like rap! surprise suprise) We are all aged 13-17 (All the youth)

Anyway cut to the chase!
One day me and my friend were walking down town and this group of 5-6 knackers/chavs came up to us asking for money! We said "We arent given you money" so they left me alone sorta harder target than my friend so they started asking him, and he didnt have money, so one of them started fighting him! Throwing punches etc. he was the youngest** out of the group and he's brother was their too (He would be around 17) So eventually they just gave up and left! But we were shook up, I wanted to dig in but I knew I wouldnt stand a chance!

The next day we went down town (4 of us) And the 2 brothers approached us this time aiming at me! The younger brother was asking me for money while the other bro wasnt their and i was saying "I dont have money to give you" So he left for about a minute and ran back asking me again! I went into a local chipper and sat down with my friends and then the two of them come in claiming I was given cheek to he's younger brother which I was not and asking me to fight him! Eventually they left because they found out I went to the same school as them! (dont ask)

Anyway I thought that was that, They mightent target me anymore! But today I decided to go to the shop and get a gift for my gf, I got it and had 2 euro for food left! So as I was walking up the street I saw the two brothers walking towards me and I was thinking "Ok, Im on my own and they left me last time" but I was wrong they started asking me for money and I said I needed it but they insisted I empty my pockets or they will "bate" me. So I had no choice and I gave them the 2 euro... Like they were sade enough to get me on my own!

Their family has a reputation, and I thought about getting my brothers into this but i dont wanna risk that! their parents dont give a **** what their kids do, the parents themselves raided graves for valuable goods so I can see the influence!

I just dont know what to do now??! We tried going to the guards but those fools would tell them that I reported them and prolly give my adress!! Like the only thing I can think of is never go downtown anymore.. Dont wanna risk it like specially since I now gave into the *****! they know they will get away with it!!

They truely are the scum of the earth the dirty ****ers!!! (Bar a few of them of course!)

****The two brothers+their family got kicked out of a town near by because no school would accept them and they were constantly causing alot of trouble everywhere.****

I have a solution for you but I'll have to PM you on it because I'd probably get banned if I posted it up here.

PeakOutput

ok so this isnt about what i thought it was going to be about but i think i can still offer advice.

basically while i was never a "rocker" per se i was certainly not a scumbag and would sometimes get stuck in the middle when the scumbags where acting tough

my only advice to you has to be STAND UP FOR YOURSELF. there will be people here advising to take the high ground and walk away etc etc and that is fine IF you are thick skinned enough for what they are doing to not bother you. You obviously are not or you would not be asking for advice on how to deal with it (i dont mean this in a bad way)

next time they come up to you tell them to **** OFF. especially if its your mates that are getting the butt of it. you can decide to take a beating yourself and just suck it up but i would not let my mates get beaten up or even punched once. You will probably find that simply standing up for yourself verbally will be enough.


I have had a few run ins with scumbags either attacking me or my mates, one involved scumbags who realised I was the person who caused them getting caught shoplifting(if there was ever a chance to get stabbed i was cacking it but you cant show it) and i have never had to deal with anything worse than someone pretending to kick me and a swift "if you raise that leg again ill break it off" got them to leave quick snap

i probably sound like i am big upping myself but thats not my intention.

one last thing i will add is if you decide to do this you HAVE to be prepared to take a punch and throw a punch. in my experience it wont go that far but just in case you cant suddenly back down after talking the talk if you know what i mean



ps; expand your musical horizons you'll be happier in the long run

edit; forgot about the inciting violence thing but i think i kept to the right side of the rule

lizzyvera

By including the fact that you like rock music and are so "different" to the rest of the town, it makes you seem like you look down on them, and that you've made a kind of tribal thing out of it. Maybe they personally dislike you?

If they ever do hurt you you can have them arrested and take them to court for assault.

PeakOutput

lizzyvera wrote:

By including the fact that you like rock music and are so "different" to the rest of the town, it makes you seem like you look down on them, and that you've made a kind of tribal thing out of it. Maybe they personally dislike you?

firstly it does not make it right so why are you making excuses for scummers???

secondly whatever about the whole town but i would look down on anyone who does that aswell

lizzyvera

I just don't think the info on what clique and stereotype each person belonged to was necessary. Or the gossip about the family. I've been hassled where I live and it's a pretty wealthy area.
I don't think it should turn into a "people who listen to rap and dress in tracksuits and live in bad areas should all be shot cos they're scum" thing. Actually, I don't understand why what music everyone likes is such a big deal. You can be friends with people who like different things to you. It's probably your fault if nobody but the other 5 mini moshers likes you because it sounds like you have some sort of idea that you're "different" "unique" even though you're just another stereotype. That is unsociable and snobby.

Not to take the side of the bully, but some people are extremely unpopular for good reason.

If anything serious ever actually happens you go to the police. If it continues to be this €2 type thing, go to a teacher if they're in the same school. It shouldn't go without punishment.

Little-Devil

PeakOutput wrote:

ok so this isnt about what i thought it was going to be about but i think i can still offer advice.

basically while i was never a "rocker" per se i was certainly not a scumbag and would sometimes get stuck in the middle when the scumbags where acting tough

my only advice to you has to be STAND UP FOR YOURSELF. there will be people here advising to take the high ground and walk away etc etc and that is fine IF you are thick skinned enough for what they are doing to not bother you. You obviously are not or you would not be asking for advice on how to deal with it (i dont mean this in a bad way)

next time they come up to you tell them to **** OFF. especially if its your mates that are getting the butt of it. you can decide to take a beating yourself and just suck it up but i would not let my mates get beaten up or even punched once. You will probably find that simply standing up for yourself verbally will be enough.


I have had a few run ins with scumbags either attacking me or my mates, one involved scumbags who realised I was the person who caused them getting caught shoplifting(if there was ever a chance to get stabbed i was cacking it but you cant show it) and i have never had to deal with anything worse than someone pretending to kick me and a swift "if you raise that leg again ill break it off" got them to leave quick snap

i probably sound like i am big upping myself but thats not my intention.

one last thing i will add is if you decide to do this you HAVE to be prepared to take a punch and throw a punch. in my experience it wont go that far but just in case you cant suddenly back down after talking the talk if you know what i mean



ps; expand your musical horizons you'll be happier in the long run

edit; forgot about the inciting violence thing but i think i kept to the right side of the rule

I think good advice even most woul not agree.
The fact you like Rock music does not make you any different from anyone else including those scumbags. I would also STAND UP FOR YOURSELF next time they approach and dont back down, you need to show them your not afraid and also your friends. If your there any kind of friends, they wont stand by watch you take a beateen. I dont agree with violence in anyway, but its the 21ist centuary and times have changed people. I think going to the police is wasting your time unless you where phyically hurt or need medical help. If you stand up for youself next time, they leave you alone maybe not the first time, but after they will trust me. One last thing please do not give up so easily next time and hand over money.

You need to prove to them you can stand up for yourself and your also not afraid.

False_God

To sort out a few holes which ye have dug up. I am friends with alot of them, but its these 2 guys who are always bothering me!

and tbh i can say its nt fair when ye say I look down on others whens its the other way around. We, not just me are treated like outcasts in this town! And I know say they are the scum of earth etc. was wrong, but I was quiet annoyed!

and sadly enough music here decides what happens to you! but most people have come to terms with rockers in the town, just the immature ones!
And to back that up I visit another town alot to visit my girlfriend and their are more people into like rap etc. their and they get on with me great! cant see why its so differet elsewhere!

Shiva

False_God wrote:

And to back that up I visit another town alot to visit my girlfriend and their are more people into like rap etc. their and they get on with me great! cant see why its so differet elsewhere!

Its got absolutely nothing to do with what you listen to on your ipod - thats just an excuse - They sense you can be intimidated, so, low-lives that they are, they try to intimidate you.

As has been said in previous posts - stand up for yourself.
These morons are stereotypical bullies...they will only harrass you while you let them. Make them think that regardless of the consequnces to yourself, you will fight back, and you'll see that they will back down.

Bullies don't know how to handle it when their bluff is called.

kieranmcg1

hey just wana say every town has its scumbags i have had a few times when i was in town and knew that i was gona get a kickin if i didnt leave and nothin seems to help thse guy s they always get away and never get blamed for anything even thou there is a good chance they done it . i think this is the guards fault this is sometin that has to b brought up in the future . the best thing i say to do is to get them cought in the act and have some proof go to the guards and hopefully scare them a bt if nothin else the only way ur gona know is if u try .

StephenC_IRL

I can sort of understand where this guy is coming from. I have longish hair and Although i do listen to rock music I do have a lot of dance on my mp3 player too. Theres an association that comes with the long hair, the "rocker" one. And the actual scum seem to find a need to get people just because they think, were scum, have to hate rockers. Not everyone who wears a tracksuit is scum, the people who have to hate other people because they want to look hard and enjoy stereotypes are the scum.

I know quite a lot of good people and I have friends who hate rock music, thats fine, but the 2 guys the OP is talking about are scum. i dont agree with how you implied a stereotype of everyone else because of the music they like. But the 2 brothers in this are scum, and if you want to call yourself a rocker thats fine, but I suggest you stand up to there 2

Ishindar

this one is simple enough

make a gesture as if u are going to take something from your pocket but in fact move in such a way as to get close to the main agressor. grab him by the balls and pull him close. tell him if he comes near u again (while u give him a nice squeeze), push him to the ground and walk calmly away

PeakOutput

lizzyvera wrote:

I just don't think the info on what clique and stereotype each person belonged to was necessary. Or the gossip about the family. I've been hassled where I live and it's a pretty wealthy area.

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"different" "unique" even though you're just another stereotype. That is unsociable and snobby.

grow up tbh we dont live in an ideal world people get picked on for a variety of things including the music they listen to the clothes they wear the people they are attracted to or just because they are in the wrong place at the wrong time

people hang around in cliques......the reason they do this is because they do not have as much in common with the other cliques........for some ****ing idiots(of any clique) this lack of interest can turn into anomosity and eventually bullying or violence

the group of people the bullies hang around with is relevant because it explains that he is not around these people that often and these people have no reason to be causing aggro with him

the family gossip is relevant as it gives the impression that he thinks if he fights back there will be reprocussions with the family.

also assuming/implying that the person is unsociable or snobby is only showing your own ignorance.

/rant off, i just think there are far too many assumptions made about people who post here by people who try to read between the lines

Seinas

PeakOutput wrote:

next time they come up to you tell them to **** OFF.

if they are knackers, then i wouldnt advise you not to try that at all.... again, my little town is infested with them. And tbh, if you said that, they would more than likely attack you... and if you piss them off in anyway, they will probably have all 16 of their brothers after you.......


but OP, do tell your own brothers about it... maybe one of them can go out with you around the town one day??

Nevyn

Ishindar banned for advocating the use of voilence.

PeakOutput

Seinas wrote:

if they are knackers, then i wouldnt advise you not to try that at all.... again, my little town is infested with them. And tbh, if you said that, they would more than likely attack you... and if you piss them off in anyway, they will probably have all 16 of their brothers after you.......


but OP, do tell your own brothers about it... maybe one of them can go out with you around the town one day??

you cant be a victim forever imo if you dont stand up for yourself it will jsut get worse and worse i learned this at a very very young age and was lucky enough to have a change in circusmtances were i could kind of have a fresh start.

iv stood up for my friends when they were attack by a guy from a large family who had a real bad rep and you know what happened???? nothing he attacked my mate coz he was an easy target i pulled him away told him to fuk off and he did..............his 9 (equally scumbaggish) brothers were around that night and similarly did nothing

these people are cowards and insecure who make themselves feel worth sometime by abusing others........hell thats practically the definition of a bully.

the choice is ultimately yours but if you choose to put up with it and give into them every now and again you have no1 else to blame but yourself imo*


*there are obviously situations were walking away is the best option because there is a strong possibility of being seriously hurt but two or three 16/17/18 yr olds from your local area trying to rob you of 2 euro is not one of them