Tear me a new one (hh)

Theresalwaysone

Blinds .25/.50
UTG Calls
Me KK raise to 1$
Folded to Hijack position who calls
Both Blinds fold
UTG calls

Pot 3.25

Flop A7Q rainbow
UTG checks
I bet out ~3/4 pot 2.50

Both call
Turn J completing rainbow Board now: A7QJ
All check the turn POT 10.25

River 3clubs Final Board A7QJ3

UTG Checks, I bet half pot

Two callers.

I lost this hand.

What do you put them both on and please tear my play apart on all streets.
I NEED IT

Trippie

an ace?

is it no-limit or pot limit? if its no-limit why the min raise? make it much more than one. you raised pre-flop so you have to bet the ace so the flop seems fine, but when both call i think id be done with the hand and willing to check it down if thats the way they want to play it but then again im playing like a moron so perhaps my advice isnt that good

ozpoker

Raise much more preflop - whatever seems to be the table standard, but probably a minimum of $2.

Taking a shot at the pot on the flop is fine, and the amount was OK given the pot size, but if even 1 villain calls (let alone 2), be very loathe to put any more money in the pot.

There, that wasn't so painful now, was it?

-Oz-

Ste05

Pre-Flop: By far the biggest mistake. Raise much more, if you are raising, raise the same amount regardless of your cards (assuming 100BB stacks average and no other mitigating circumstances), I always make it 4BBs total and add one for every limper in the pot, regardless of what I have. So in this hand I would have made it $2.50 and not $1. You are guaranteed to be playing at least a 3 handed pot with that raise.

Flop: After the amount of people in the hand, you can decide to bluff the A, but it's highly unlikely anyone is folding an A, so TBH, you should really check fold there or even check call 1 bet and be done with the hand. It's hard to comment for me here because I'd never have Min-raised Pre-Flop.

Turn: After being called in 2 spots, you're done with the hand, so the check is good there

River: Check it down, no-one is calling with a worse hand and it's highly unlikely an A is folding.

Pre-Flop was by far the biggest problem here, the flop bet was fine as a continuation bet, slightly dodgy against 2 players, but probably OK. Turn fine, River don't like the bet.

EDIT: Missed the question about what they had, my answer is: I don't know, but I know one of them beats KK and that's all I would worry about

Mr.Plough

raise more pf as said

il check behind on the flop.

as played id give up after youve two callers on the flop as your beaten nearly always.

BobSloane

Is this full ring yeah?If so where exactly are you on the table?
Pre-flop is very bad. You would be better off limping behind than min-raising as someone may raise after you and you will get a chance to re-raise. You should really be raising yourself though to at the very very least $2. When you min-raise you are encouraging a multi-way pot - You have one pair, which is unlikely to improve. Ideally you want to face only one opponent on the flop - you don't want 5 or 6 opponents and being out of position to half of them.

Macspower

what steo said exactly.... i go into check/call/fold mode as soon as i see an A with KK

5starpool

Macspower wrote:

what steo said exactly.... i go into check/call/fold mode as soon as i see an A with KK

That's about 94% of the time on the flop isn't it?

Theresalwaysone

I agree with the pre flop terrible play, although I had been min raising with crap and getting respect and showing my crap and also when i got re raised I was folding also.

To be honest I was playing for a re-raise and when I didnt get it I wanted to give up BUT the UTG player was playing very loose passive AND the Other raiser was a good player and was capable of laying down any weak ace and I would have expected him to re-raise me with any strong ace.(excuses excuses)

Anyway,
UTG had A3 hearts and other player had AK diamonds.

Beaten all round

Macspower

5starpool wrote:

That's about 94% of the time on the flop isn't it?

according to eddie the eagle it is anyway :rolleyes:

KK = A magnets...

Macspower

Theresalwaysone wrote:

I agree with the pre flop terrible play, although I had been min raising with crap and getting respect and showing my crap and also when i got re raised I was folding also.

To be honest I was playing for a re-raise and when I didnt get it I wanted to give up BUT the UTG player was playing very loose passive AND the Other raiser was a good player and was capable of laying down any weak ace and I would have expected him to re-raise me with any strong ace.(excuses excuses)

Anyway,
UTG had A3 hearts and other player had AK diamonds.

Beaten all round

have to disagree here... a good player is never folding a weak ace to a min raiser.....

Summary
don't show hands ...
don't min raise....
don't bet a flop with KK when an ace crops up... get to a cheap showdown if you can...

Mac

cooker3

Raise more pf
C/f each street

BobSloane

Theresalwaysone wrote:

...although I had been min raising with crap and getting respect and showing my crap...

This made me smile on many levels. I think its the way its worded as well as the apparent contradictions contained within. I have been smoking grass again though

phantom_lord

Trippie wrote:

you raised pre-flop so you have to bet the ace

uh, no you don't.

Goodluck2me

phantom_lord wrote:

uh, no you don't.

yeah exactly. why turn such a strong hand into a bluff, they dont always have an ace so why bet so much that only an Ace can call.

Jaden

Ste05 wrote:

I always make it 4BBs total and add one for every limper in the pot, regardless of what I have.

This is the most useful single piece of advice you will ever read about small stakes on-line poker - ever.

Min-raise in EP with KK at small limits, after an UTG limper is never going to make money, unless you are sure you will get re-raised by someone in MP/LP.