Playing a decent LAG

Macspower

I have a decent enough LAG to my left on 3 tables today thats causing me a spot of bother.....

he's the BB to my button on 2 tables.. his stats are 32/24/5.07/359

he's generally making my life a misery today... we're both about 200bb's deep on 2 of the tables.. and on the other table he has 300bbs and i have 100...

we have tangled a good few times and he has been constantly 3 betting any of my raises on all tables.. when i 4 bet him twice he went all in immediately and i folded JJ the first time and AQs the second time.

he's snapping off my c bets and generally causing me grief...

whats your strategy for this guy?

Macspower

just see him in the chat box talking to another player.... the other guy recosnises him from 3/6 limit and asked him why is playing these small stakes.... he says he want to amke the transision from limit to nl and is learning 6 max

peeko

you at .5/1 today? Hmmm I guess I'd move tables if it is not suiting your play?

Other options are seeing if he does this with anyone else and try figure what he's pushing with and adjust range accordingly. Prob better moving tables if you can not get your usual style of play across.

Or off course get all in with AA pf

Bandara

Have you considered moving up levels?

Macspower

thinking of moving tables but really want to get the better of this guy... but it is runing my style.....

knew this was on the cards!!! I called im down with AK for 100bbs on one table and i was good.... against his 5 9 off.. and then on another table where we are deep this happens.. i have AQ on the button. stacks 250 ea. i make it 4 he makes it 20 ( done this about 100 times) I make it 100 he pushes..... i think and say what the hell here goes...

I was good against his 23s but he won the pot..... high variance playing these kinda guys!!

Moneymaker

I think you just need to give up small pots, wait for a hand and trap him like a rat.

Ste05

Stand-up and try to get position on him, or if he's this good just sit on a new table.

If you stay, depending on how aggreeeive he is, let him do the betting for you, or induce raises with your good hands, but basically you'll have to be willing to gamble a little, i.e. if there is constantly 3 and 4 betting I wouldn't be folding JJ or AQs to him. Both of those hands would perform well against his range.

It's very difficult to say how to counter-act his play without actually playing and noticing any tendancies, if he has none, it's a pretty bad seat to be sitting at, OOP to a good LAG is seldomly a profitable seat especially deep.

If he's a limit player though, try to play through the streets as usually he'll be out of his depth come the turn and River for the optimal play.

peeko

Macspower wrote:

I was good against his 23s but he won the pot

fecking maniac!

Macspower

seems like an alfa male thing with this guy..... if you want to RR him you may be prepared to out in your stack... unfortunately I've done it now 3 times and twice i was good and got sucked out on and the other time he had a set against my TPTK...

think i'll just go for lunch and come back and play my A game on different tables

BobSloane

Macspower wrote:

I have a decent enough LAG to my left on 3 tables today

If he's decent and to your left the longer you stay probably the more you'll lose. If he's to your left on 3 tables maybe he's targeted you or something.

ZZR1100

the variance will always be high playing guys like this.i wouldnt give up as already he has sucked out on u twice when you had the better hand.i usually prefer to get my stack in with a PP 99+ rather than AQ AK as at least u have a made hand rather than a drawing 1 . the main trouble is you are oop which makes it extremly difficult. Beware of the tiltmonster creeping in though

Macspower

BobSloane wrote:

If he's decent and to your left the longer you stay probably the more you'll lose. If he's to your left on 3 tables maybe he's targeted you or something.

he was there wneh i sat down.... anyway I gave up on him after donating 400 bb's to his laggy style.. i figured him out after a while..... he was just really really agressive with or without a hand... seemed to be working for him as he has 1200bbs between 3 tables.. helped by me and others...

he got paid massively on his big hands and no one was calling him most of the time.... i seemed to be the only one to stand up to him but it hurt me....

Just too much variance for a nit like me.......

Ste05

Embrace the Variance....

BobSloane

i don't take a lot of notes playing - but the one thing I do is when I come across this type of player I note DNSOR - do not sit on right. I'd say most people here that play 6 max make most of their profit from cut-off and button. If a player like this is on your immediate left, he immediatetly ruins your cut-off profit. He will have position on you for 5 out of 6 hands. He ruins your ability to steal blinds. It tears me apart giving in to these guys - and I've often toughed it out trying to stack him but I can get so frustrated with the prick that I lose focus on the other players at the table and they start picking off pots against me. Its a cowards way out I suppose but I think its the most cost effective way to just not sit on the right of these guys.

If you want revenge seek him out and sit on his left.

Macspower

BobSloane wrote:

i don't take a lot of notes playing - but the one thing I do is when I come across this type of player I note DNSOR - do not sit on right. I'd say most people here that play 6 max make most of their profit from cut-off and button. If a player like this is on your immediate left, he immediatetly ruins your cut-off profit. He will have position on you for 5 out of 6 hands. He ruins your ability to steal blinds. It tears me apart giving in to these guys - and I've often toughed it out trying to stack him but I can get so frustrated with the prick that I lose focus on the other players at the table and they start picking off pots against me. Its a cowards way out I suppose but I think its the most cost effective way to just not sit on the right of these guys.

If you want revenge seek him out and sit on his left.

good advice bob......

phantom_lord

I generally leave when I have someone like this sitting with position on me, I like raising pf, so having somone constantly 3betting pisses me right off. you can get into some crazy varience ridden dick swinging contest if you want, but why bother when there's soft tables all over the place.

Macspower

phantom_lord wrote:

I generally leave when I have someone like this sitting with position on me, I like raising pf, so having somone constantly 3betting pisses me right off. you can get into some crazy varience ridden dick swinging contest if you want, but why bother when there's soft tables all over the place.

your so right...... it's what i should have done in the first place instead of donking off loadsa dough to him....

I came back this evening found the usual soft games and playing my usual boring style and made back this mornings losses and more.....

No point in trying to play these guys OOP when I don't have to i guess

Mac

sikes

i wouldnt 4bet JJ and fold to a shove in that hand.

RoundTower

I don't think this guy is decent, he just does well against nits who think they are TAGs, that's what you seem to be.

CaptainNemo

You're letting him make the pressure bets on you all the time which is a losing way to play. The way I see it you have 3 options:

1) Find another table.
2) Tighten up and try to hit monsters and trap him.
3) When he 3bets you, push with anything decent.

1) Sounds like a viable option especially if this guy is running incredibly hot.

2) Is probably the worst option and this is how a good LAG makes money, by forcing tight players to fold everything but the nuts.

3) is how I'd play it. You have AQs and raise, he 3bets you, what it sounds like you have done before is call or 4bet and allow him to make the major pressure bet for your whole stack. Instead of this, I would push for a massive overbet. Is he going to call with 23o?

If he really is a good LAG, and not just a maniac donk, then he has to fold almost every time when you do this. Just make sure you have some kind of a hand.

I prefer to play preflop poker against people like this because if you see a flop you often end up having to fold everything except a set...

strewelpeter

RoundTower wrote:

I don't think this guy is decent, he just does well against nits who think they are TAGs, that's what you seem to be.

:eek: Hands were posted and strategy advice was asked for. Thats just an unpleasent snarky opinion that is of no consequence at alllll.

I'd a similar situation last week where I paid off a Scandie lag a couple of times. Running away felt like the right thing he had me so annoyed it wasn't good. Eventually I calmed down and got it back with interest over the next few nights by hunting him down and keeping on the 'right side of him.

RoundTower

no this is useful advice, if you start classifying this guy as "a decent LAG" just because he gives nitty players trouble in these spots, you won't play well against him because you have a bad read.

strewelpeter

RoundTower wrote:

no this is useful advice, if you start classifying this guy as "a decent LAG" just because he gives nitty players trouble in these spots, you won't play well against him because you have a bad read.

Fair enough then, lets leave out the nitty part and tell us a bit about how to differentiate a good lag from a bad lag.
Can you tell from PT numbers? what are the signs? whats the best approach to tackle the good ones and the bad ones?

Macspower

thanks for the advice guys... I'm just not used to playing these guys at this level... 1/2 .50/1... i like playing against the tags and the tight/passive players that frequent these levels... I'm sure I can get the better of this guy too if I can adapt and take on some of the advice you guys give.... but just seems easier to go fins a table full of easy players that let me play my game..............

Thanks again guys...


Mac

RoundTower

the guys who consistently show down 23s in this spot are the bad ones. The guys who you always think they have 23s, but in fact when you call them, they end up having aces and kings and AK, they are the good ones.

buck65

Guys are ye all being a little hard on this guy? He seems to have picked his targets and dominated the boards he plays at with his style?
Sure he got lucky on a couple of hands and could be a donkey but he may also be a shrewd donkey and these guys can be troublesome.

Macspower

buck65 wrote:

Guys are ye all being a little hard on this guy? He seems to have picked his targets and dominated the boards he plays at with his style?
Sure he got lucky on a couple of hands and could be a donkey but he may also be a shrewd donkey and these guys can be troublesome.

Certainly caused me trouble the other day... found him again yesterday and got in to his left and waited but he was playing the same and mopping up the table..... he was looked up a few times and had the goods.... I never really got a hand to get involved and he left after an hour with 300bbs...