$100NL - a hand that got me buddy listed

BobSloane

6 Max effective stacks ~200

BB (villian) is uber tight. 10/6
Button is an ass clown. 45/10. Calls pre-flop raises but gives up on the flop too easily.

Hero is CO with 5s7s

UTG folds
MP folds
Hero raises to $3
Button calls $3
Sb folds
BB raises to $10
Hero calls $7
Button calls $7

Flop 6s 9d 2s ($30.50)
BB bets $22
Hero calls $22
Button folds

Turn 7h ($74.50)
BB bets $90
Hero calls $90

River 7d ($254.50)
BB bets $80 (all-in)
Hero calls $80

"Buddy listed" was then posted in the chatbox by a distraught villian. "omg , fcukin fish etc." by other amused players. I thought I had played the hand perfectly. He had pretty much exactly what I thought he had.

mdwexford

im not surprised

phantom_lord

what did you put him on?

Chucky the tree

mdwexford wrote:

im not surprised

why? calling pre-flop is debatable, but apart from that i cant see anything wrong with how he played it?


must of had aces, i'd re-raise all in on the turn.

Hectorjelly

Chucky the tree wrote:

must of had aces, i'd re-raise all in on the turn.

why?

Chucky the tree

Hectorjelly wrote:

why?

Not better too get your money in now? $250 in the pot, is there much point leaving $80 behind?


Villan must know he's on a flush draw or have a fair idea,then again even if he the spade did hit on the turn, villans shoving anyway i presume?


Edit- Also, what about a raise on the flop? I think Villan is only going to bet this strong with Aces, I think if he had Kings/Queens, he would slow down a bit. If a play like this is too be made with sooted cards you have to be willing to get your stack in on coin flip no?

BobSloane

phantom_lord wrote:

what did you put him on?

An overpair. Most likely QQ KK or AA. Hoping he hadn't TT but thought it was more unlikely

BobSloane

Chucky the tree wrote:

Edit- Also, what about a raise on the flop? I think Villan is only going to bet this strong with Aces, I think if he had Kings/Queens, he would slow down a bit. If a play like this is too be made with sooted cards you have to be willing to get your stack in on coin flip no?

I was actually planning to fold the river if I didn't make 2 pair or better. Maybe I would have bottled it and called giving him credit for firing 3 times with AKs..? But I planned on folding lol. $80 is nearly a full buy-in for me! I called the flop to see what he'd do on the turn. Maybe I should have raised but as it turns out I would have been re-raised for sure. I saw no point in pushing the turn as I felt I had almost no fold equity

BuChan

the villian forced you to make a mistake by calling too big a bet on the turn and you made it anyway. i suppose you could say you were calling 90 to win (165turn pot+80what you have behind) 245 as he was unlikely not to pay you off if you hit your outs so it's not the worst play of all time, do you think this guy would be good enought to fold if the spade hit, that's -9 outs? did you check the hh to see what he had?

buck65

nice break

BobSloane

BuChan wrote:

the villian forced you to make a mistake by calling too big a bet on the turn and you made it anyway.

I think this is what the villian was moaning about afterwards. It would have been a mistake to fold the turn and a mistake to raise imo. I had the odds to call with little or no folding equity. If he had pushed the turn I would have folded. I'm still getting used to cash game situations compared to tournament situations. This hand could basically never happen in a tournament. Although my post flop action was just call,call,call I thought it was one of the better cash game hands I've played. But the villian or the others at the table didn't see it that way lol.
What would other peoples(more experienced in cash games) line be here? Raise the flop(which I thought about for about 10 seconds), fold the turn..? Maybe villian was right to complain!

BuChan

BobSloane wrote:

I think this is what the villian was moaning about afterwards. It would have been a mistake to fold the turn and a mistake to raise imo. I had the odds to call with little or no folding equity. If he had pushed the turn I would have folded. I'm still getting used to cash game situations compared to tournament situations. This hand could basically never happen in a tournament. Although my post flop action was just call,call,call I thought it was one of the better cash game hands I've played. But the villian or the others at the table didn't see it that way lol.
What would other peoples(more experienced in cash games) line be here? Raise the flop(which I thought about for about 10 seconds), fold the turn..? Maybe villian was right to complain!

why couldn't this happen in a tournament?

i don't think you played this hand perfectly, i don't think it's good to commit so much of your stack to a very strong drawing hand intending to fold if you don't hit it. i might be wrong, we'll see what people say. i'd have raised to 80 on the flop with this hand, hoped for a fold and called a push. that's probably wrong too.

BobSloane

BuChan wrote:

why couldn't this happen in a tournament?

You will never be in a situation in a tournament where the is a 125BB sized pot going to the river and you will face another decision for another 40BBs

Ste05

Personally I'd have made it $4 PF, except for that it seems fine upto the turn, then it's a pretty big bet although you have loads of outs so it might be an OK call, I'll work it out now: Your outs: any 7 (2), 8 (4) any spade (9), 5 (3) should get you the pot and more than likely his stack (although with a spade he might get away from the hand) so you have like 18 outs but he's overbet the pot which is strange and certainly looks like he's never folding this hand no matter what falls, so I think you can look at it as though you have the $80 of guaranteed implied odds. Giving you about 2.7:1 on the $90 bet, to get a rough quesstimate of your odds you just multiply your outs by 2 to give the % chance of hitting or ~36%, so your odds of hitting are about 1.7:1.

Since you have no fold equity there's no real point in pushing, so it looks like a fine call. Even the Direct odds on the call are 164.5:90 or 1.8:1 so even on a direct odds comparison it's OK

Ste05

BuChan wrote:

why couldn't this happen in a tournament?

Because I don't know tournaments that have 200 BB stacks, maybe in the first level or something, but that would be rare to have these stacks.

AmarilloFats

Ste05 wrote:

Personally I'd have made it $4 PF, except for that it seems fine upto the turn, then it's a pretty big bet although you have loads of outs so it might be an OK call, I'll work it out now: Your outs: any 7 (2), 8 (4) any spade (9), 5 (3) should get you the pot and more than likely his stack (although with a spade he might get away from the hand) so you have like 18 outs but he's overbet the pot which is strange and certainly looks like he's never folding this hand no matter what falls, so I think you can look at it as though you have the $80 of guaranteed implied odds. Giving you about 2.7:1 on the $90 bet, to get a rough quesstimate of your odds you just multiply your outs by 2 to give the % chance of hitting or ~36%, so your odds of hitting are about 1.7:1.

Since you have no fold equity there's no real point in pushing, so it looks like a fine call. Even the Direct odds on the call are 164.5:90 or 1.8:1 so even on a direct odds comparison it's OK

But surely Villain folds to some rivers 8s, 9s ..
If he has KK maybe an ace will fold him..
he doesn't have to have 99(other set) that often to make this a bad call...
I fold turn

BobSloane

Ste05 wrote:

Personally I'd have made it $4 PF, except for that it seems fine upto the turn, then it's a pretty big bet although you have loads of outs so it might be an OK call, I'll work it out now: Your outs: any 7 (2), 8 (4) any spade (9), 5 (3) should get you the pot and more than likely his stack (although with a spade he might get away from the hand) so you have like 18 outs but he's overbet the pot which is strange and certainly looks like he's never folding this hand no matter what falls, so I think you can look at it as though you have the $80 of guaranteed implied odds. Giving you about 2.7:1 on the $90 bet, to get a rough quesstimate of your odds you just multiply your outs by 2 to give the % chance of hitting or ~36%, so your odds of hitting are about 1.7:1.

Since you have no fold equity there's no real point in pushing, so it looks like a fine call. Even the Direct odds on the call are 164.5:90 or 1.8:1 so even on a direct odds comparison it's OK

This was pretty much what I was thinking.

He had KK. I had 17 outs on the turn so was 1.6-1 to make my hand. I was being offered 1.8-1 by the pot. There was a chance he had a set of 9s but I thought it was very slim. These guys (10/6) call raises with 99 to try and hit a set - well in my opinion anyway. He could have TT which would take away three of my 8s but when he overbet the turn I was sure he had AA KK or QQ.
I was leaning towards QQ cause it seemed like he just wanted me to fold and would be afraid if an ace,king or spade hit.
Sometimes calling>raising>folding