1010 in the fitz

AKQJ10

Hero 400
Villain 700

Folded to villain in CO who makes it 6( Noel Keane for those who know him)
I make it 20 with 10 10
He calls.

Flop comes 7 4 2 r
He checks i bet 45,
He makes it 125.

Action on me??

robinlacey

its hard to say because the most important factors for me would be knowing how this guy plays and also the table dynamics for the last while,having said that my default would probably be to call and probably give up on the turn if he fires again.

Goodluck2me

Dont reraise preflop, and fold now.

robinlacey

i don't normally reraise TT preflop,but with these stacks in this type of game with position i don't mind it.

BuChan

pump it in he has 56 sooted! lol nah i'm not sure, probably call and fold turn like robin said. would noel fire at the turn again with 56, probably, i know i would.........

goodlucktome, as for not raising preflop i don't like that at all. i'd 3-bet 1010 against an aggressive players CO raise all day.

BuChan

oh wait it's noel keane not noel hayes. i'd probably take 56 out of the equation then. this is tricky if noel keane had 33/55/66/88/99/A7 he'd be pretty sure he had the best hand and might raise like this. i wouldn't say AA/KK are out of the question here either. i think he would flat call with a set and let you fire again since he knows you're and aggressive player.

the same course of action is probably best, call and fold turn to a big bet, but since it's noel keane i'd tempted to take this all the way.

i played a hand against him where i had raised preflop with KK, he lead out on a 7 high flop i reraised and he was happy to get it all in 200+ with A7. he's calling down and raising and reraising very light.

Moneymaker

Tricky one, if he had a real hand, surely he'd have led out to find out how strong you are(why would he give you the chance to take a free card?). This smells of a bluff as he knows you're going to bet on any flop and figures that raggy flop hasn't helped you if you don't have a pair. A straight draw or maybe A7 are possible. Surely he'd have re-raised pre-flop with a bigger pair then 10's and he's not going to re-raise with a set on a rainbow board? I'm saying you've the best hand here for sure, i'd probably push back.

Flushdraw

goodluck2me wrote:

Dont reraise preflop, and fold now.

Against Noel Keane, i'd reraise with much worse than 1010. Noel raises nearly every CO and button if its folded to him, whether its cash or tournaments.

He can be a tricky customer but youre ahead here far more than youre behind. Noel could have A7, A4, A2. K7 or 2 overs just as easily as he has an overpair. I dont think he ever has a set here because he wouldnt raise you on the flop.

I'd be at least calling the 125 although i'd pop it to 300 if i want to take the pot there and then. You will see the agony on his face as Noel struggles to fold top pair here but may not fire again on the turn so youre giving him a chance to outdraw you if you just flat call the 125.

BigCityBanker

You are most likely ahead here. If you repump he folds hands you beat. If you call you give him the chance to catch up on the turn with overcards which missed flop. Small chance he has a set but i dont expect him to play it so fast. Im shipping it in here.

Just read Flushdraws post - he has it down to a T against this villian. Inc the agont of folding 10 7.

Goodlucktome - you obviously dont know this villian.

RoundTower

robinlacey wrote:

i don't normally reraise TT preflop,but with these stacks in this type of game with position i don't mind it.

I think not usually reraising TT in this kind of spot is a leak.

cardshark202

RoundTower wrote:

I think not usually reraising TT in this kind of spot is a leak.

How is it a leak? Without any specific reads, or special conditions I think calling is generally best. Just because we call preflop does not mean we are playing for set value.

Also, since I don't know the guy and no description was given of villain, I can only say what I'd do against most players in this spot, especially if the game was full handed.

RoundTower

because you have the fifth nuts! People will call with worse (much worse) and you are in position so you like to make a nice big pot.

opr

What "much" worse hands call ?? Given the info in the thread of villian i would RR but its not my usual play and i can't see how its a leak.

Opr

jbravado

Noel Keane as in grey haired Noel?

I think this is a pretty claer fold even though Noels been mixing it up crazy style lately in cash games.

BigCityBanker

jbravado wrote:

Noel Keane as in grey haired Noel?

I think this is a pretty claer fold even though Noels been mixing it up crazy style lately in cash games.

The guy who won the WSOP package in the SE freeroll.

Edit: I cant believe you would fold this.

jbravado

Noel the grey.

Despite being a well known spewer I think Im folding this more often than not.
He calls before the flop-fair enough doesnt really mean anything.Im more than willing to give him credit for a real hand with his cr though.

Noels game has come on a lot lately and he is more than capable of trapping and underrepresenting his hand preflop these days.
In my experience if Noel is running a bluff he prefers to wait til the turn and river to try it.
I suppose this is hugely dependant on whether hes winning or losing ie playing well or not but just because we get a favourable flop doesnt mean we have to ASSUME we have him crushed.ALL IMO.


Actually its pretty important to say that Noel would play 88 99 identically to this hand.I dunno its a tough spot mark.

Katooey

Flushdraw wrote:

Against Noel Keane, i'd reraise with much worse than 1010. Noel raises nearly every CO and button if its folded to him, whether its cash or tournaments.

He can be a tricky customer but youre ahead here far more than youre behind. Noel could have A7, A4, A2. K7 or 2 overs just as easily as he has an overpair. I dont think he ever has a set here because he wouldnt raise you on the flop.

I'd be at least calling the 125 although i'd pop it to 300 if i want to take the pot there and then. You will see the agony on his face as Noel struggles to fold top pair here but may not fire again on the turn so youre giving him a chance to outdraw you if you just flat call the 125.

This is crazy! If you think he will have a 7, call and let him fire again. Being outdrawn? He has 5 outs with tp. Making it 300 to get him to fold a 7 - a stroke of genius.

BCB, you are a banana head for agreeing. Donkaments

Katooey

cardshark202 wrote:

How is it a leak? Without any specific reads, or special conditions I think calling is generally best. Just because we call preflop does not mean we are playing for set value.

Also, since I don't know the guy and no description was given of villain, I can only say what I'd do against most players in this spot, especially if the game was full handed.

Playing live cash in Dublin and with stacks this size, I prefer a raise.

By calling you are inviting a 4 way put - on the plus side you are under representing your hand and have position.

AKQJ10

I decided i was ahead and wanted to end it there and pushed. He called with two pair 72. My feeling was he doesnt have better than tens. and he traps with sets. imo he is raising here alot with 7x, 88, 99. i know he is never calling unless he thinks im messing with a hand i beat but i just didnt wanna give him a chance to catch up. if i flat call with a winning hand i know he's capable of pushing the turn anyway, especially when he's tilty like last night. the general feeling at the table was that you shouldnt push but ah well.

Katooey

AKQJ10 wrote:

I decided i was ahead and wanted to end it there and pushed. He called with two pair 72. My feeling was he doesnt have better than tens. and he traps with sets. imo he is raising here alot with 7x, 88, 99. i know he is never calling unless he thinks im messing with a hand i beat but i just didnt wanna give him a chance to catch up. if i flat call with a winning hand i know he's capable of pushing the turn anyway, especially when he's tilty like last night. the general feeling at the table was that you shouldnt push but ah well.

Let him push

Flushdraw

Katooey wrote:

This is crazy! If you think he will have a 7, call and let him fire again. Being outdrawn? He has 5 outs with tp. Making it 300 to get him to fold a 7 - a stroke of genius.

BCB, you are a banana head for agreeing. Donkaments

Are you some sort of idiot? Just asking a question, not talking about anybody....

The best i feel Noel has here is A7. He more than likely has 2 overcards. When you flat call his 125, from my experience, Noel will not put another cent into the pot unless he catches up. You have 2 choices here. Take the 125 thats on offer or flat call, let an overcard come and let Noel bet. Do you call if an AKQJ comes and Noel bets it, because i dont.

I've played with Noel a lot, obviously you havent as this situation is player dependant. Nice read if you put him exactly A7. I could be wrong about the hand Noel has here but my thoughts above is how i'd play the hand against him.

jbravado

I dont think Noel ever raises with the bare 7 here tbh.

I think its a crazy spot to push-Im not even sure that Noel will call with 88 or 99 or a 7 (maybe a few months ago)-Im suprised so many of the guys who play with him a lot are avocating a push.I really havent seen Noel cr bluff all that much...

...apart from one messed up hand in jacks that Buchan may or may not have witnessed!

Moneymaker

Sounds like someone i'd want at my cash game table. Calling a re-raise with 7,2. ****ing hell. Like I said, its a tough decision but I felt you were ahead from whats been said in the thread.

AKQJ10

sam i know once he calls im beat but what could you put him on. literally two pair is the only hand he could have that beats me and on that board the only one i could think of was 4 2. he's gonna try trap me with a set. i felt he was raising to see where he stood with 88, 99 or a 7 and wanted to end it

Katooey

Flushdraw wrote:

Are you some sort of idiot? Just asking a question, not talking about anybody....

The best i feel Noel has here is A7. He more than likely has 2 overcards. When you flat call his 125, from my experience, Noel will not put another cent into the pot unless he catches up. You have 2 choices here. Take the 125 thats on offer or flat call, let an overcard come and let Noel bet. Do you call if an AKQJ comes and Noel bets it, because i dont.

I've played with Noel a lot, obviously you havent as this situation is player dependant. Nice read if you put him exactly A7. I could be wrong about the hand Noel has here but my thoughts above is how i'd play the hand against him.

Idiot? What is with the personal abuse. Reread your post. Your logic is semi retarded. You advocate pushing for him to fold a 7 (not A7 - you seem to have misunderstood my post).

I didn't put the dude on a hand. You are the one putting him on a seven, and saying he will fold the 7 to a push. Pushing is only an option if he is calling with a lone pair, 88 or 99 all the time. You are recommending a push and hope he doesn't more than a pair.

Flushdraw

Katooey wrote:

Idiot? What is with the personal abuse. Reread your post. Your logic is semi retarded. You advocate pushing for him to fold a 7 (not A7 - you seem to have misunderstood my post).

I didn't put the dude on a hand. You are the one putting him on a seven, and saying he will fold the 7 to a push. Pushing is only an option if he is calling with a lone pair, 88 or 99 all the time. You are recommending a push and hope he doesn't more than a pair.

All i will say is LOL

Goodluck2me

BigCityBanker wrote:

Goodlucktome - you obviously dont know this villian.

QFT.

I actually do prefer a Reraise preflop, he will likely let go on most flops if he doesnt improve, so we get the added value to charge him to see it when we win it on the flop.

ITT-Pat

aces thats what there called

ITT-Pat

Moneymaker wrote:

Sounds like someone i'd want at my cash game table. Calling a re-raise with 7,2. ****ing hell. Like I said, its a tough decision but I felt you were ahead from whats been said in the thread.

stop that man!!!! your an idiot