Professional tipping services

BangBeater

Do these services actually provide profit in the long run? Just that I was reading the racing post the other day & it had a huge page advertisement for isiris or something like that, guaranteeing profit, inside info, blah, blah. Any one got any thoughts?

steveymp@hotmai

I would never pay for tips m8, they tend to be very hit and miss and centred around Favourites, you get all the tips you need on the other forum next door for free

masterK

They are the last resort of the losing gambler. Think about it, if you really had all this amazing inside information would be sharing it with anybody?

knighted

its aload of bull -nobody has 'inside info' any more -firstly its been outlawed ,secondly if u can predict the future u would do mystic meg and russell grant out of a job,there are too many variables to consider ,like ten fences to jump without falling etc it all boils down to luck -

now i know people get told that a horse is fit and well and has been laid out for a particular race ,which i understand and agree with but how does one know 100% that it will cross the line first?one doesnt ,thats were the luck comes in

as some one just said above there is plenty of tips on this and the forum next door from knowledgeable blokes who do exactly what tipping line operators do and thats read form ,and im sure a lot of them would agree no matter how hard u study the secret ingredient is luck ,or as trainers and jockeys put it 'luck in running'

tipping lines manipulate the stats in there favour to show a positive return in a given time period to suck people in -

do urself a favour and dont ring tipping lines -try to pick ur own and if u need advice or a second opinion post on this or the forum next door as im sure they would only be too happy to help or give opinions -if u still want to ring the tipping lines u might also want to contact gamblers anonymous cause it really is the last refuge of a desparate gambler -if ur trying to make money from racing and u cant pick the horses for urself ur in the wrong job -a bit like a roofer whos afraid of heights

imeatingchips

^^^ As said, there's plenty of material available free online and on forums (mostly pure shyte mind you) but if you're even *tempted* by tipping lines you should have a think about why you back horses. If it's for the money then just forget about it now. You haven't a chance.

You should be interested in it, following it, studying form, excercising discipline with your bets and above all, ENJOYING the racing... (edit - not saying you don't already do this btw) but if you do all this you might be able to manage to pick spots where you're getting a good price for a horse and finish with a small profit for the year.

Think about it, if the tips were that good why would they need your 30 bob (or whatever) to put bread on the table? The only ones making money out of tipping services are the bookies and the fukcer who sold you tip.

heyjude

BangBeater wrote:

Do these services actually provide profit in the long run? Just that I was reading the racing post the other day & it had a huge page advertisement for isiris or something like that, guaranteeing profit, inside info, blah, blah. Any one got any thoughts?

As said elsewhere, the only people to profit from these services are the guys providing the service and the newspapers/magazines that carry the adverts for them.

It stands to reason, if I'm an insider with real information on which horses will win, I can share this information with several hundred other people and thereby possibly reduce the odds, or I can put all my money on the horse and collect my winnings at better odds.

These services remind me of those people that claim they can forecast the winning lotto numbers in advance and are willing to give you the numbers for a few euro. Why would someone do this, when for a few euro they could win millions each week.

If a racing punter could successfully pick all these winners, then why wouldn't they win thousands each week on accumulators and other multiple bets ? They'd be millionaires in no time !

wb

I'd imagine that most of the tipsters that have a huge following are backing the horses before they give out their selections, then laying off for a free bet/trade when everyone gets stuck in.

mikemac

www.winningline.com

I was with these guys for 3 months. They are one of the better known companies and they advertise heavily in the Racing Post.

Don't remember the exact figure but it was over £300 sterling for 3 months :eek:

I just about broke even after 3 months and would never, ever sign up for such a service again.

hiscan

steveymp@hotmai wrote:

I would never pay for tips m8, they tend to be very hit and miss and centred around Favourites, you get all the tips you need on the other forum next door for free

what forum is this?

wb

hiscan wrote:

what forum is this?

www.letsbet.ie

Not a tipping service, but some good discussion and selections.

imeatingchips

wb wrote:

I'd imagine that most of the tipsters that have a huge following are backing the horses before they give out their selections, then laying off for a free bet/trade when everyone gets stuck in.

QFT

BangBeater

micmclo wrote:

www.winningline.com

I was with these guys for 3 months. They are one of the better known companies and they advertise heavily in the Racing Post.

Don't remember the exact figure but it was over £300 sterling for 3 months :eek:

I just about broke even after 3 months and would never, ever sign up for such a service again.

Ah, straight from the horses mouth, so to speak! Yeah, tis true, if they really were offering solid tips, they wouldn't need to be even setting up such a service in fairness, they'd just back their so called winners!

Colonel Sanders

the problem is that all their profits will be quoted to their advised prices which will be next to impossible to get if you join someone like Henry Rix. Fair enough they may make a profit if you can get the prices they advise but their in lies the problem. Lets say one of the joke bookmakers like spoilsports are top price on a horse at 16/1 say. lets say the tipster has 100 clients for and advises 2pts win at 16s with spoils. Most tipsters quote 1pt = 100 pounds. that leaves 100 people trying to get 200 pounds on with a bookmaker that would be lucky to lay anyone 200 pence at 16/1. Also a lot of firms themselves subscribe to these tipsters who use it as a system to point out where their prices are wrong and will probably cut prices before they have laid a single person a bet.

A similar thing happens with pricewise when they make a big pice selection on a major race. A lot of the time the price that is advised in the racingpost when you open it in the morning was actually gone by 6pm the evening before.

Colonel Sanders

wb wrote:

I'd imagine that most of the tipsters that have a huge following are backing the horses before they give out their selections, then laying off for a free bet/trade when everyone gets stuck in.

I remember a thread on the betfair forum about this a while back. Some guy posted that he had met a well known tipster p!ssed in a london pub and he told him exactly this.

Colonel Sanders

micmclo wrote:

www.winningline.com

just checked their 'bet by bet' section on their website. How anyone calling themselves a professional tipster could tip beef or salmon in the gold cup is mind boggling.

In any case 40k profit over 15 years is hardly startling.

bestuktipster

mikemac wrote: »

www.winningline.com

I was with these guys for 3 months. They are one of the better known companies and they advertise heavily in the Racing Post.

Don't remember the exact figure but it was over £300 sterling for 3 months :eek:

I just about broke even after 3 months and would never, ever sign up for such a service again.

I know a service where you would pay half that amount and will definately make profits, they are honest and have top quality selections and NO inside information because it is not needed.

bestuktipster

knighted wrote: »

its aload of bull -nobody has 'inside info' any more -firstly its been outlawed ,secondly if u can predict the future u would do mystic meg and russell grant out of a job,there are too many variables to consider ,like ten fences to jump without falling etc it all boils down to luck -

now i know people get told that a horse is fit and well and has been laid out for a particular race ,which i understand and agree with but how does one know 100% that it will cross the line first?one doesnt ,thats were the luck comes in

as some one just said above there is plenty of tips on this and the forum next door from knowledgeable blokes who do exactly what tipping line operators do and thats read form ,and im sure a lot of them would agree no matter how hard u study the secret ingredient is luck ,or as trainers and jockeys put it 'luck in running'

tipping lines manipulate the stats in there favour to show a positive return in a given time period to suck people in -

do urself a favour and dont ring tipping lines -try to pick ur own and if u need advice or a second opinion post on this or the forum next door as im sure they would only be too happy to help or give opinions -if u still want to ring the tipping lines u might also want to contact gamblers anonymous cause it really is the last refuge of a desparate gambler -if ur trying to make money from racing and u cant pick the horses for urself ur in the wrong job -a bit like a roofer whos afraid of heights

Did you know that 20% of the top trainers win 80% of the races and 20% of the top jockey's win 80% of the races, so luck has nothing to do with it over long-term only skill and hard work. Trianers and owners don't run their horses in the hope of getting lucky, they select their races carefully and know what it takes to win races. Sure if it was all to do with luck then no top trainers/jockey's would win much at all l.o.l.

I agree no one can know for 100% what is going to happen in any one race but with knowledge one can predict most of the time and benefit making profits whereas 95% of the public will not because they couldn't be bothered to learn about this game and so back short over priced favourites. Making profits isn't about backing winners, it's about finding value horses who are over priced compared to their true chance/odds of winning. Every horse has a percentage chance of winning no matter what it is.

Remember the best horse doesn't always win the race, the best horse may of had the hardest trip.
Beaten lengths don't matter one bit, it's why the horse was beaten that counts or how the horse was beaten, this is why good live horses can be found to invest on because the public just think that if a horse is beaten for example 20 - 30 lengths on the flat , it has no chance next time out...........that is absolute nonsense lads.

Colonel Sanders

I can't see bestuktipster's account lasting long.....

Morleystreet

I briefly looked into tipping services before, didn't join one tho. There was a couple of sites that would validate their selections and show p/l. Services who didn't want to use this obviously have something to hide. Of all the ones who did, I don't think any showed a profit over d long term! As per advice already given, I'd steer well clear. Can't remember the validation site but it was reputable one.

hucklebuck

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

I can't see bestuktipster's account lasting long.....

LOL, I thought I would give him a well deserved *bump*

bestuktipster wrote: »

Making profits isn't about backing winners, it's about finding value horses who are over priced compared to their true chance/odds of winning. Every horse has a percentage chance of winning no matter what it is.

Did you know that the value horses will have to at least place for them to be considered value horses?

hucklebuck

Morleystreet wrote: »

I briefly looked into tipping services before, didn't join one tho. There was a couple of sites that would validate their selections and show p/l. Services who didn't want to use this obviously have something to hide. Of all the ones who did, I don't think any showed a profit over d long term! As per advice already given, I'd steer well clear. Can't remember the validation site but it was reputable one.

That is good advice unless there is best uk tipster service out there somewhere

convert

Please don't drag up threads that are 5 years old.

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