Can I ever find a call here? 8's in the hole

The_Chopper

The table is almost full - i've taken out the irrelavant crap - Villian 1 has limped from MP
Villian 1 is an excellent player - if he limps he has the min AQ or small pocket pair. He limps raises/calls just as easily with any hand in his range.
Villian 2 is a raise with any Ace if he senses weakness.

I don't raise and just call twice as I don't want Villian 1 reraising me all in

I think I should probably lead the flop but wanted to see the action behind me before putting another cent in the pot.

Seat 2: Villian 1 ($3,480.00 in chips)
Seat 7: HERO ($1,630.00 in chips)
Seat 8: Villian 2 ($1,330.00 in chips)
HERO: Post SB $30.00
Vegase: Post BB $60.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Villian 2
Dealt to HERO [8c 8d]
Dealt to Villian 1
Villian 1: Call $60.00
HERO: Call $30.00
Villian 2: Raise $120.00
Villian 1: Call $120.00
HERO: Call $120.00
*** FLOP *** [C4 S2 H3]
HERO: Check
Villian 2: Bet $300.00
Villian 1: Allin $3,300.00
HERO: ????

Can I ever call here with this much action - I put villian 2 on over cards and wasn't sure on villian 1. I think he could have 22-99, only 3 of which i beat.

Flushdraw

You left your SN in

Flushdraw

I'd prefer to read it with all the irrelevant crap in because i'm not sure where villain 1 limps from. I dont think excellent players open limp and because the BB raised and he didnt 3bet, i wouldnt put him on a huge hand. I may even 3bet myself from the BB once MP calls the raise. If you can get headsup with the BB and his ace rag, with dead money in the pot, i'd do it everytime.

I'd probably lead the flop and see what resistance you come up with. The BB is almost obliged to bet any flop once you check. The push over the top by villain 1 could mean anything from overcards, to overpair, to a set.

As you say yourself, youre behind to 22,33,44 and youre ahead of 55,66,77,AQ if thats the range you put him on then its a marginal decision. I'd call though as you have a chance of trebling up if villain 2 calls, and theres enough in the side pot between you and villain 1 to break even should the BB be stronger than you think.

cardshark202

Fold, he cold have 55, but thats all yo beat imo. This is assuming hes an excellent player.

RoundTower

What's with the "$30.00", is this a tournament or a cash game? I don't think there are any "excellent players" at these stakes who habitually open limp/call in MP. Therefore I deduce that he is a nit and you are beaten here.