the house jack built

phantom_lord

14/9/2.7 over 75 hands. nothing else on him.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($100)
BB ($95.34)
UTG ($202.72)
Hero ($121.55)
CO ($220.49)
Button ($188.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, K.
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, Button calls $5, 2 folds, UTG folds.

Flop: ($12.50) J, T, 8(2 players)
Hero bets $8, Button calls $8.

Turn: ($28.50) J(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $17, Hero calls $17.

River: ($62.50) K(2 players)
Hero...

lead or go for c/r?

insafehands

Best HH thread title evAr?

NickyOD

Leading for $40 looks good to me but I'm interested to see the responses. I basically never ever check raise the river unless I'm certain the guy has a busted flush draw or is a river bluffing station.

I think there are just too many hands here that he can have that will pay off a river bet but check behind. i.e. any Jack, Q-T, KQ, K-T, K-9. and any underhouse raises you anyway.

5starpool

Ya, 40-45 or so lead looks good to me without knowing if he takes a stab at this.

dvdfan

Yeah i think you have to lead here as you also have the chance of a smaller House or Straight Pushing over your bet and any Jack is calling so its surely +EV.

RoadSweeper

Why check call the turn? Because he's playing a tight game?
Just wondering.

phantom_lord

RoadSweeper wrote:

Why check call the turn? Because he's playing a tight game?
Just wondering.

i can't see a worse hand calling a bet, except maybe kq. but my hand's too good to fold and he might just be repping the j so I'm not folding.

phantom_lord

i bet 45 and he thought about it and folded. i regretted it at the time, but I think betting is better as he prob checks behind some hands he'd call a bet with. anyway he prob only had kq or something rather than the kj i was hoping for! his turn bet is a bit weak for a j i think.

bops

i dont really like your bet, actually i hate it!!

you bet 1/2 of your remaining stack - 2/3 pot sized bet...

its too big for a value bet
its too big for perceived blocker - that he can succesfilly rrai with a busted draw/weak hand

either bet 30, all of it, or check imo

phantom_lord

i wasn't too fond of it either tbh.

fuzzbox

bops wrote:

i dont really like your bet, actually i hate it!!

you bet 1/2 of your remaining stack - 2/3 pot sized bet...

its too big for a value bet
its too big for perceived blocker - that he can succesfilly rrai with a busted draw/weak hand

either bet 30, all of it, or check imo

For once, this is stellar advice.
gman bops.

cardshark202

I much prefer CRAI here.

BuChan

i don't think checking is an option since he'll check behind with way too many hands that will call a bet. i think 45/50 is good. i don't like betting 30 either, it's too small, it's not getting much value out of a bare J or KQ. also you'd never bet 30 into a 60 pot on the river on a bluff.... consistency is goot no?