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2pair vs min raising moron

  • 10-06-2007 3:40am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,895 ✭✭✭✭


    70/30/1.44,

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    BB ($125.50)
    UTG ($100)
    Hero ($108.80)
    CO ($23.25)
    Button ($233.82)
    SB ($94)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with 5club.gif, 6club.gif. CO posts a blind of $1.50.
    1 fold, Hero calls $1, CO (poster) checks, Button calls $1, 1 fold, BB checks.

    Flop: ($6) 3club.gif, 6diamond.gif, 5heart.gif(4 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $4, CO folds, Button raises to $8, BB folds, Hero raises to $20, Button raises to $32, Hero...


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,895 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    pf was a mistake, just looked quicky and thought I was limping behind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,895 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    BB ($125.50)
    UTG ($100)
    Hero ($108.80)
    CO ($23.25)
    Button ($233.82)
    SB ($94)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with 5club.gif, 6club.gif. CO posts a blind of $1.50.
    1 fold, Hero calls $1, CO (poster) checks, Button calls $1, 1 fold, BB checks.

    Flop: ($6) 3club.gif, 6diamond.gif, 5heart.gif(4 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $4, CO folds, Button raises to $8, BB folds, Hero raises to $20, Button raises to $32, Hero calls $12.

    Turn: ($70) 8club.gif(2 players)
    Hero checks, Button checks.

    River: ($70) 9heart.gif(2 players)
    Hero bets $25

    ugh, bet turn/check river?
    check turn check river?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭insafehands


    Hmmm... Well A4/A7 is possible here for the OESD on the flop and made straight on the river, the check on the turn would suggest he's happy to get a free card.

    Can't see him calling your river bet unless he's got you beat, I'd bet the turn to around $40 but have trouble calling a raise on the river. I'd have possibly checked the river but $25 is a sound enough bet considering likelihood of him having made the straight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭valor


    Id check fold river I think, but Id push flop vs this guy, he will have worse 2 pair, pair + draw and overpairs more than enough to be +ev

    also, you should raise instead of limping behind anyway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭dvdfan


    Trying to think what he might have on the flop to play it that way. I think the way he played it he wasnt worried about been put all in so i think 44 or A4 is unlikely here giving the flop betting. Defo Cant see A7 playing the flop this way so i would disregard this aswell.

    Min raise once can be either weak or monster, min raise 5 bet or whatever its called screams hes happy with his hand but judging by his stats he might think TT-QQ is the nuts here. TT-QQ would defo fit his range here after he checked the turn in position as he might be a bit worried by KK-AA, if he had 47 here i cant see him checking the turn. I think the straight is unlikely as the only hand thats pulling a straight the way the flop played out is 77 but also unlikely.

    I think your ahead of alot of his holdings but considering your stack size im either Pushing on his 5 bet on the flop or folding. After you call your OOP and a 1/2 pot bet on the turn by you is going to leave you in a position where your pot committed or if you check and he bets 1/2 pot and you call it your also pot committed. If the board wasnt so draw heavy id be happy to just call and let him bet with a worse hand but id push here as you still have 4 outs if he has the made flush or a set here (Assuming its not a set of 5's or 6's)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭BobSloane


    Limped pots are such a pain in the ass. I just hate going broke in an unraised pot. I'd raise preflop bet flop and get all-in asap. As played I don't know. Although he's 70/30 AF of 1.4 is a bit low...I'd check the river again. Probably fold.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭cardshark202


    I don't think you're ahead that often on the flop tbh. His AF is not that high, although if those stats are over a small amount of hands then I guess you should shove


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭Mr.Plough


    dvdfan wrote:
    .

    TT-QQ would defo fit his range here

    i dont think a 70/30 has tt-qq ever here. unless he only has a small number of hands on him.


    its a tricky spot. 5bet minraising? he has a monster. it depends on what his oppinion of a monster is though, as dvdfan stated.

    i dont understand his turn check though. would he be playing a draw so aggressively? whats your image? i can only see him checking a set/2pair on such a dangerous turn

    meh id be ruling out A4 anyway, along with a straight.

    your up against a set more often than not so i check river and call his crappy min bet for the times he has 2 pair.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,895 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    he had 63o. probably about the only hand he could have that i could beat.


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