Downgrade a Well L96 Sniper ?

HarryHirsch

I would like to buy a L96 from Well. (see the reviews on youtube Firing Report and the quality report )The problem is that this nice gun has 2J instead of 1J (about 420 fps with 0.25 and 470 with 0.20). But it would be a shame to downgrade it, to become legal. Does someone know, if its possible to downgrade it by changing the spring? Or would you recommend a license ? I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place, I don't know what to do.

ambro25

Why would you want to go to the bother of a license for a 2J airsoft, when no skirmish site in the Republic, and probably not up North either, will let you use it in combat anyway?

If you gonna go the license way, you may just as well buy a proper rifle suitable for long-range target practice, no?

EDIT: and it's not "just" getting a license, you know, there's the whole gun cabinet, house alarm, proficiency certificate, this-that-the other that comes along with it.

CrazyRabbit

Well, anything can be downgraded. The problem is that it would have to be done before it gets shipped into the country. Otherwise you need a licence BEFORE it gets shipped.

Oh, and I'm not sure if your post is a breach of the forum charter, since you are not allowed to talk about importing 1j+ airsoft guns. But on the other hand, you are talking about downgrading it to a legal limit. Bit of a grey area there.

ambro25

Putting the Subforum Charter issue aside for a moment, it is is therefore pointless to discuss downgrading the airsoft in here, since the e-tailer would have to do it for you over there before shipping. So that's between you and him, not between us in here.

Now, if you decide to go the license route, then that's where the Subforum Charter begins to kick in - but you'd actually be much better served by posting for advice in the Shooting Subforum anyway.

My €0,04

EDIT: I do not believe that the Suforum Charter precludes discussing downgrades. For now. Maybe it needs to be more explicit about it - either way, because, all the same, a poster in possession of an airsoft and requesting advice for downgrading it to 1J and who does not have a license at the time of the query, is technically in breach of the relevant Statutory provisions - so does lending a hand to make the poster compliant in here constitute "aiding and abetting" until he/she is compliant?

Wossack

dont think you can get a license for airsoft stuff >1j anyway, since they dont have permanent stamped serial numbers...

Spitfire666

licence cant be got on anything between 1 and i think 1.4 or 1.7J. under and its not a firearm, over and it can e licenced.

it should in no way be aginst the charter whats being asked here. he wants to know about what he CAN LEGALY do. maybe somebody got a particular manufacturer to downgrade a gun before shipping it at which point this info could be passed on.

HarryHirsch

As far as I know, there are sites in England, that allow those sniper rifles at a certain range. The only thing I concern, is to stay legal. I don't want this gun at any cost.

o1s1n

Nothing wrong with that post at all. The section of the charter in question says that there will be no discussion on the importation of +1joule or upgrade of guns. As long as he's going to have it downgraded first it's all fine.

That addition was made to the charter to stop people saying

"I wnt 2 b a 1337 Sn1pOr. How cn 1 gt a 500fps Sn1pOr RIFLE into Ireland?" etc. Or, making statements which completely flout the 1 joule law. Something I'm getting a bit sick of seeing. At least this way it's in writing.

Back to the OP's question. As said above it's a bit pointless. If you are going to go to the hassle of getting a license, you might as well get an air rifle as you'll only be able to use it for target practice at the moment. No skirmish sites will allow that.

Not to mention the gun is actually a piece of rubbish.

Spitfire666 wrote:

licence cant be got on anything between 1 and i think 1.4 or 1.7J. under and its not a firearm, over and it can e licenced.

Again, where did you hear that information? As you're the first person I've ever heard say it. I'd like to hear Sparks opinion on that one.

The law clearly states anything over 1 joule IS a firearm.

ED E

Anythig over 1J is definitely a firearm.

Q: What is to say you have to calculate Muzzle energy with .2s...with a .12 it might be legal? same way with lead bbs 99% of aegs are illegal...hmmm

kdouglas

anything over 1 joule is a firearm, but to get a licence it has to be at least 1.75Joule apparently (from nonex)

o1s1n

Lethal_Bullet wrote:

Anythig over 1J is definitely a firearm.

Q: What is to say you have to calculate Muzzle energy with .2s...with a .12 it might be legal? same way with lead bbs 99% of aegs are illegal...hmmm

No no NO!!
people say this a lot and it's absolute rubbish. If the muzzle velocity with a .2g bb is 1 joule, it will be the SAME with any bb you put into it. It will ALWAYS be 1 joule. You'll just get a shorter or longer fps dependant on weight.

Muzzle velocity is not worked out on fps alone. It's a combination of fps and bb weight.

kdouglas

Lethal_Bullet wrote:

Anythig over 1J is definitely a firearm.

Q: What is to say you have to calculate Muzzle energy with .2s...with a .12 it might be legal? same way with lead bbs 99% of aegs are illegal...hmmm

no, because the fps changes with a lighter/heaver bb, you cant just stick in .35g bbs and all of a sudden your 1.5 joule aeg is < 1 joule, as the weight increases/decreases the fps decreases/increases and the resulting energy is more or less the same:



e.g. from above, if you use a .2g bb in an aeg with an fps of 328fps, it is 1 joule, but stick in a .45g bb and the fps drops to approx 210fps with the energy level staying constant at 1joule

o1s1n

kdouglas wrote:

anything over 1 joule is a firearm, but to get a licence it has to be at least 1.75Joule apparently (from nonex)

I asked Sparks about that 1.75j thing and he said it is not true. Anything over 1 joule is a firearm. Which can then be licensed.

kdouglas

hmmm.... interesting...

o1s1n

Well it makes sense really. If the minimum for something to be classified as a licensed firearm was 1.75j then why would the 1 joule law have been introduced? It would have been 1.75 instead.

ED E

I know KE= 1/2mv2

I just thought that the speed decrease would be less than the increase in mass....like say a 2gram lead bb...if that does like 200 wouldnt it be over...I dunno..

o1s1n

If the spring is creating 1 joule of power with a .20g, it's also going to create 1joule of power with any bb that goes into it.

Think of it as the spring that does this rather then the bb.

ED E

But is there that much more resistance...maybe i'm wrong...must get some lead bbs and chrono em just to see....wait...i cant...illegal.:eek:

o1s1n

Eh? No, it's not illegal as it will still create 1 joule of power.

1joule is enough to propel a plastic bb a good distance but it'll be rubbish for a lead one or some similar material. Probably wont leave the gun much at all.

nonex

a licence cant be got on anything between 1.1 or 1.7J.
over 1.7 j. for a licence.
and if it's aeg being full auto you cant a licence.
If the spring is creating 1 joule of power with a .20g, it's also going to create 1joule of power with any bb that goes into it.
i can show you this on the Chronograph

o1s1n

nonex wrote:

a licence cant be got on anything between 1.1 or 1.7J.
over 1.7 j. for a licence.
and if it's aeg being full auto you cant a licence.
If the spring is creating 1 joule of power with a .20g, it's also going to create 1joule of power with any bb that goes into it.
i can show you this on the Chronograph

Why can't you get a license for a bolt action between 1.1 and 1.7j? That's the third time it's been mentioned without any reason or link as to why.

Did a Garda tell you or something?

nonex

o1s1n wrote:

Why can't you get a license for a bolt action between 1.1 and 1.7j? That's the third time it's been mentioned without any reason or link as to why.

Did a Garda tell you or something?

i have a copy from the garda firearms unit.

ED E

Yes.. iget the point of all creating 1J but are you telling me that if i put a 2gram(2.0 not 0.2) in by 320fps aug it would just flop to the ground? Maybe I'm thick but i find that hard to beleive....

o1s1n

Lethal_Bullet wrote:

Yes.. iget the point of all creating 1J but are you telling me that if i put a 2gram(2.0 not 0.2) in by 320fps aug it would just flop to the ground? Maybe I'm thick but i find that hard to beleive....

Well it wont be flying 60 feet thats for sure. I havent a clue as its not something Ive ever tried. Or would try for that matter. For risk of breaking my gun.


Anyway, getting completely off topic here.

Havent heard back from the OP yet though. Hmm.

CrazyRabbit

Lethal_Bullet wrote:

Yes.. iget the point of all creating 1J but are you telling me that if i put a 2gram(2.0 not 0.2) in by 320fps aug it would just flop to the ground? Maybe I'm thick but i find that hard to beleive....

It's not a 320fps Aug...it's a ~1 joule Aug. This is how people get confused.

And a 2 gram bb would travel a few feet with it.

Think of it this way. Your arm can exert a certain amount of force (measured in joules) when throwing a rock. If you throw a 200 gram rock it will travel further than a 2kg rock you throw. Then energy stays roughly the same, but the weight of the projectile drastically affects the maximum range.

Mark_Sc

Some people just did'nt do physics in school...

Harekin

If you drop a tennis ball from a height of 1m, the force exerted on the ground is 1J...its because of the size the force is exerted over (>1inch as opposed to 6mm), the elasticity of the tennis ball (as opposed to the ridigity of the bb) and the weight of the ball.

Its still 1J even tho its not travelling 328fps...the .43 gram bb would travel slower but still have an initial muzzle energy of 1J.