Macau ME hand

rogue trader

I would be interested in people's opinions on this one.

This was in the first level so no read/view on the villian.

Blinds 25/50

I'm on the BB

BCB makes it 175 UTG.
Called by the villian in LP.
Sb folds.
I make it 600 with AKo.
BCB folds, villain calls

Flop Kh 6s Qh (1400)

I bet 1000, villain raises to 2500.

I?

5starpool

I would imagine there are only 2 hands that beat you on that board that he might have. 66 (possible) and KQ (you'd hope not, but you never know with some people). My initial guess would be either 66 or AhQh.

To be honest in this position I would call, and check the turn. It could well be a split pot though. I check the turn, even if the turn is a blank (do you have the Ah?). If he bets big then I am not sure what to do in this spot.

If you call the flop raise, then your hand is consistent with AK. The only thing to decide is whether he has AQh or 66 (or if he is capable of calling 2 raises with KQ). If you have the Ah then I would not be inclined to put all my chips in, if you don't then I possibly lean towards check calling on the turn or river (if relative blanks).

Edit to say that I would probably not have reraised preflop from the BB, but if I did, then I would have made it 750 at least.

Hectorjelly

Easy fold, no reason to think he is bluffing. If you push its almost impossible to be called and have the best hand, if you call you are in no mans land, oop with a million scare turn cards.

The preflop play was bad, you should raise more or just call.

BigCityBanker

what seat was villian? 1 or 2?

busted flush

i push all in here what kind of flop are u looking for ? most people dont bet out a set some do but most dont . he has kq or kj at best imo!
bf

5starpool

Well if he ahs KQ we are kinda fcked. I think the fact that there are 2 raises preflop and there is still this kind of action has me worried somewhat, but KK or QQ doesn't surely play this way, AA surely not either, although you never know. As I said the 3 most likely hands are Ak also, 66 or AQh. It is marginal enough I think, but whether I have the Ah could have a big bearing on my play here.

Hectorjelly

busted flush wrote:

i push all in here what kind of flop are u looking for ? most people dont bet out a set some do but most dont . he has kq or kj at best imo!
bf

lol

I assume we have 10k stacks here? If so you are advocating putting 180 of them into this flop. The guy didnt bet out with a set, he raised. And if he has KQ we are beaten.

LuckyLloyd

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mdwexford

i dont see how having the Ah has a bearing on your decision 5starpool

also busted flush that is a shocking opening line in your post

earthworms

The Qh is on the flop so he can't have Ah Qh.

I'd make it more pre flop K Q or 66 could easily have called you.

I'd fold now

rogue trader

Thanks for the replies.

On the preflop raise to 600.
A few have suggested my re raise was too small.
Dom you suggested 750 and Lloyd, you mentioned 800...why so?

p.s
BCB, he was seat 3 with the crutches.

mdwexford

rogue trader wrote:

Thanks for the replies.

On the preflop raise to 600.
A few have suggested my re raise was too small.
Dom you suggested 750 and Lloyd, you mentioned 800...why so?

p.s
BCB, he was seat 3 with the crutches.

3 times BCB's raise plus the call and the blinds is 775, id make it 800-850

600 is ok if there wasnt a caller of the 175

LuckyLloyd

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Hectorjelly

rogue trader wrote:

Thanks for the replies.

On the preflop raise to 600.
A few have suggested my re raise was too small.
Dom you suggested 750 and Lloyd, you mentioned 800...why so?

p.s
BCB, he was seat 3 with the crutches.

If its the guy with crutchs from the GJP event I dont think id fold

You should raise more because you dont want to get called, as you will end up OOP with no pair, or even worse 1 pair and deep stacks

BigCityBanker

rogue trader wrote:

Thanks for the replies.

On the preflop raise to 600.
A few have suggested my re raise was too small.
Dom you suggested 750 and Lloyd, you mentioned 800...why so?

p.s
BCB, he was seat 3 with the crutches.

Unless im mistaken and I dont believe I am then this is a hideous fùcking hand - i think he posts on boards and i also think he made the final table. After this hand i lined him up big time. I was trying to play any pot he played so long as i had position on him... Id like to here his thought process on the hand.

ah jaysus im done for the evening now that ive realised the exact hand!! stop please stop, i rolled around the place after this hand - myself and Cooney shot each other a glance at showdown.

The only thing I can think of is that he had won a big pot early and was trying to play inflated pots in position to use his stack.

FWIW I folded the winning hand here.

5starpool

Ok, I thought the Q was the non heart for some reason. This removes the main hand that could be semi bluffing on this board then imo. Against someone we have no real info on at this point then I usually fold, but this is type of hand I look back on later after I have donked off all my chips and wish I had played more aggressively.

rogue trader

BigCityBanker wrote:

ah jaysus im done for the evening now that ive realised the exact hand!! stop please stop, i rolled around the place after this hand - myself and Cooney shot each other a glance at showdown.

BCB,
what are you sh*ting on about?

There was no showdown as i folded the hand.

BigCityBanker wrote:

The only thing I can think of is that he had won a big pot early and was trying to play inflated pots in position to use his stack

After this hand, i never saw you play one hand with this guy so i think your memories fading.

I think it's been said before of you.
If you've no advice to offer, maybe refrain wasting everyone's time posting for the sake of posting.

rogue trader

5Star, Llyod, Hj , MD

i understand the maths behind the raise to 750-850 and i do accept that we would be more than happy to win the pot here and now.

But i'm wondering in such a deepstack tourney, especially as we are only in the 25/50 level, should we be making it 850 here as we certainly don't want to get married to this hand?
On the same flop, i'd have to bet 1500 after the initial raise of 850.

Anyway, i did fold as i couldn't see what i was beating.

I think, as some suggested, calling the initial raise here could have been the best startegy.

PiperT

I don't like the re-raise pf - playing OOP post flop is not where I want to be at this stage of the game. Even when you hit with AK OOP you have no control and pretty much have to fold to strength unless you flop a monster. TPTK is probably behind to the action as described.

I like to see a flop as cheaply as possible in this spot. How i play post flop will depend on table dynamics.

You could have arrived at the same conclusion with this hand for a lot less than it cost you in the end.

As played, its a fold.

rogue trader

PiperT wrote:

You could have arrived at the same conclusion with this hand for a lot less than it cost you in the end.

couldn't agree more.

BigCityBanker

rogue trader wrote:

BCB,
what are you sh*ting on about?

There was no showdown as i folded the hand..

As per my disclaimer from the opening line of my response ive clearly mistaken this hand for the one where he showed down K10

rogue trader wrote:

After this hand, i never saw you play one hand with this guy so i think your memories fading..

What are you raving about? I said I tried to play hands with this guy once I had position. I didnt say I played a large amount of hands with him. As you will recall he was seat 3 and I was seat 6 (I think) so playing hands with him where I had position did prove difficult. Rather than my memory fading have you considered that your ability to read and interpret what other people say might be fading?

rogue trader wrote:

I think it's been said before of you.
If you've no advice to offer, maybe refrain wasting everyone's time posting for the sake of posting.

Have you got some issues bubbling under which you might like to take to the PI forum? Ive clearly mistaken the hand. If you recall the hand in which he showed down K10 id be very surprised if you didnt have the same reaction as me and others at the table.

Daithio

I think I flat call here and re evaluate on the turn. That raise is very often some sort of draw.

Jam-Fly

AK, KQ, QQ, 66 are most likely. If Villain happens to be a loose player KJ is possible, and if he is unorthodox, AA and KK are also possible. Maybe JhTh (but even so, you don't want to race for your tournament live this early on.

Very early in a main event tournament, no need to get involved, just fold.