Cash Player Question..!!!

THEIRISHMOB

for the last 18months Ive been playing live cash games and would regard myself as still very much learning the game. I also play a few tournys would regard myself again as having a lot to learn.

The question I have is:

1. Can someone that makes a profit 80% of the time over 18months (4-5 nights a week)( €1/2 2/5games) be a bad cash player and if so how?

2. What is a good cash player if this is not it?

3. Is there any justice in saying that I am playing incorrect poker over a period of 18 months but still making this profit? or is my style of play correct
(style of play- very tight...play about 13%.....trapping...calling bets rather than raising...as if i raise people drop out of pots due to the image i have created of being so tight?

4. Any advice? or should i stick to what works best for me?

5. Is there a big change in games moving up from 1/2 2/5 to 5/10 10/20

6. should i move up a level?

Over the last few months ive moved over to online cash and after 3-4 months am only starting to find my level, and also have found a site that seems to have some very easy cash games.


Im not in this game to be the best player in the world or be seen as a good player but it pays the bills nicely for the last year and gives me time to work on other stuff im intrested in while putting cash in my pocket.


look forward to you Comments

Ste05

THEIRISHMOB wrote:

for the last 18months Ive been playing live cash games and would regard myself as still very much learning the game. I also play a few tournys would regard myself again as having a lot to learn.

The question I have is:

1. Can someone that makes a profit 80% of the time over 18months (4-5 nights a week)( €1/2 2/5games) be a bad cash player and if so how?
Probably not unless you're running hotter than God... But if this is Live the 18 months of play could probably be boiled down to maybe 2 or 3 months of on-line multitabling and it is certainly possible to run hot for that length of time.
2. What is a good cash player if this is not it?
Someone that consistently beats their level and exercises good BR management. Basically what you have talked about above, albeit a little vague.
3. Is there any justice in saying that I am playing incorrect poker over a period of 18 months but still making this profit? or is my style of play correct
(style of play- very tight...play about 13%.....trapping...calling bets rather than raising...as if i raise people drop out of pots due to the image i have created of being so tight?
Far too vague to really answer this TBH, although you should be bluffing alot more if you have this savagely tight image.
4. Any advice? or should i stick to what works best for me?
Stick to what works I suppose, or else read and post hands here and on 2+2 to improve your game.
5. Is there a big change in games moving up from 1/2 2/5 to 5/10 10/20
Don't know about Live if that's what you're talking about, but on-line there is.
6. should i move up a level?
If your bankroll allows and you feel confident that your records are accurate about your win-rate.

My 0.02c

rag2gar

Just wrote an article today on some of these issues

http://www.pokerireland.ie/index.php/special_interest/article_entry/leglesspocketless_maybe_not/

NickyOD

Hi T.I.M.

I've actually been playing with you a bit on Mansion. I'm assuming you're the same guy and I honestly feel you're ring game is just not good enough to be thinking about climbing stakes. I think you're probably an average .50/1 player but I'm sure with some practice, and control you could climb up in time.

I remember one $1-$2 hand where there were several limpers and I popped it from the button with Jacks. You had limped in the CO and when it was folded back to you, you shoved for about a $100. I called and won unimproved with an ace on the flop. I dont' know what you had but it has to a very bad play. Although I do tend to play position a lot and punish limpers, and it may have seemed like I was picking on you a lot (I wasn't) it's an easy call for me with a lot of hands becuase it makes no sense for you to have a real hand. Just my 2c.

THEIRISHMOB

1. Can someone that makes a profit 80% of the time over 18months (4-5 nights a week)( €1/2 2/5games) be a bad cash player and if so how?

Probably not unless you're running hotter than God...
But if this is Live the 18 months of play could probably be boiled down to maybe 2 or 3 months of on-line multitabling and it is certainly possible to run hot for that length of time.

Live play for the first 12 months Jan 2006-Jan 2007 80% profit mainly Blazin-Aces 4 or 5 nights a week over 12 month period I would cash in profit 80% of time. Or 4 out of 5 nights.
My theory on playing for 6-8hrs a night was, You get 2 to 4 big hands a night where you have the nuts or very close to it and it is very important to make these hands pay big time. Then try to limp into pots with strong hands and see if they hit. if they do then I played if not then i got out.

Where I profited most recently was raising with hands like 4-6 5-7 8-6 9-7 suited because if I raise with A-Q A-J everyone has me on that hand , but one of the biggest problems that I now find is that in waterford mainly everyone knows everyones games too well as there is only about 15-20 cash players and the game seems very dead unless you get the bigger players like tommy walsh or john meehan (or Bops lol)then you get a very lively game, but without these players pushing pots the same money floats around all night.


I've actually been playing with you a bit on Mansion. I'm assuming you're the same guy and I honestly feel you're ring game is just not good enough to be thinking about climbing stakes. I think you're probably an average .50/1 player but I'm sure with some practice, and control you could climb up in time.

I remember one $1-$2 hand where there were several limpers and I popped it from the button with Jacks. You had limped in the CO and when it was folded back to you, you shoved for about a $100. I called and won unimproved with an ace on the flop. I dont' know what you had but it has to a very bad play. Although I do tend to play position a lot and punish limpers, and it may have seemed like I was picking on you a lot (I wasn't) it's an easy call for me with a lot of hands becuase it makes no sense for you to have a real hand. Just my 2c.



Regarding Mansion I only found it last week and find it the best cash site I have ever played. play the .50/1 and 1/2 NLH and a little of the 2/4 to see the difference in step up.
Also like there rake-back and deposit bonus.

I dont remember that hand but I usually dont put my chips into the pot without a Good pair or A K.


I dont bother any more playing in waterford because you can sit down online and choose what ever game suits you, whatever time suits you, but my bankroll management has suffered because I find it hard to see the click of a button the same as the pushing of chips live. When you cash out and receive your money in a live game I get the buzz of (that was a good nights work) wheres online I dont find it the same. and I know this is something I will have to change soon.

THEIRISHMOB

Would like to hear the views from players that have played live with me...!!!
If theres any out there

NickyOD

When your'e playing $1-$2 how come you always sit with half a buy in?

THEIRISHMOB

I look to make set amount each day/week and I prefer to build on a small buy in rather that a larger buy in and if i get caught on a hand I lose it.

Theres two ways I look at this.

1. Buy in for smaller amount and build slowly and also less to lose.

2. buy in for larger amount and if I hit I get payed off bigger. How many times have I found the nuts early and only having $100 buy-in with a guy with $300 betting into me.

I find that the first option works for me and also I work harder to build the buy-in then when I buy-in for larger amounts

I now only want to make my set target each week as I dont see poker as a long term life choice. I have other business intrests and for now enjoy the cash, poker offers me and I admit I do get a buzz for it.

I could never see myself sitting playing 50/100 NLH and dont see poker as long term. I told myself I would try it for a year and its worked out ok for me. what the future holds I dont know but unless I get very lucky in a very big tourny I dont see myself playing it in 2 years time

kryogen

THEIRISHMOB wrote:

Would like to hear the views from players that have played live with me...!!!
If theres any out there

Ian,i have played with u quite a bit over the last 18 months in the club.....

From my perspective i like having u at the table as i dont have to think much about ur play,i.e if ur chips are in the pot, have the hand! but i believe u can exploit this view that im sure many others have of u also by bluffing more regularly, i know u bluff....but the problem with it is that u often show if u do bluff and i dont think this benefits as ur game doesnt rely on playin poker, its more waiting to hit a hand and get maximum value.

And as u know alot of people in waterford wud like nothin more then to bust u so u do get plenty of action on ur big hands!!! (say thank u to pat)

I enjoy ur company at the table,i dont know how u have the patience to play 2-3 hands an hour lol!! but u get a bit of slaggin unfairly imo...if u are showing that high % of profit then dont change ur game much as it appears to be ur winning formula, if u are consistently beating the levels u play and u are comfortable then u really dont have to move up levels.

I dont kno wether u wud b a profitable player at higher levels as u are very passive and,i hope u dont take much offence to this statement, but i dont think ur a poker player, i dont think u have any game really and i would b worried u wud get eaten alive by higher standard players... just my opinion!!

I think if u are beating the game at the level ur at and consistently turning profit then stay where u are, u can make a living at that level and ur comfortable there.

hope this was someway helpful, im not the best with words!!!

B