BMW 318 e36 vs e46

quarryman

ok after driving a few Golf GTis and not being very impressed I've moved towards buiying a 318 coupe.

Went to drive an BMW e36 318 coupe yesterday but it had been sold so decided to try out an e46 318 ci that was on the lot. VERY impressed. It was much nippier than I expected and very smooth.

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=695530

Problem is; my budget is up to 11k so I reckon I'll be limited to e36s.

Is there much difference in performance and overall comfort?

The interior doesn't look great on e36s, one thing that impressed me in the e46.

I'm trying to find an e36 on carzone that i can try out today.

btw, i'm looking at coupes only.

bavarian-boards visitors might have seen this thread, posted there when boards was down.

since posting this i've reconsidered the 323i. insurance isn't much more so the only downside is the extra tax. Problem is, a clean 323i coupe is very hard to find here. So i guess the same question applies. e36 323 or e46?

fletch

This the correct link yeh?
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=695530

quarryman

yep, sorry, fixed that.

Anan1

I'd go for the E46 on safety alone. Have a look at www.euroncap.com - the E46 is OK to good, the E36 is really awful.

quarryman

wow, it looks like a death-trap:

http://www.euroncap.com/tests/bmw_3_series_1997/15.aspx

Linford

I would have thought a Golf GTI would be nippier than a 318ci.

I have an E46 325ci and I tested a 318 before and wasn't that impressed. I wouldn't let a few hundred euro turn you off buying the likes of a 323ci, it is a much better car than the 318.

Stephen

I depends which engine the e46 318ci has - the older ones have 1.9 litre engines that get about 115bhp. The newer ones have 2.0 units that get about 140bhp. I was really looking in to getting a 320ci myself but I don't think I could afford to run it.

bazz26

Yeah the 318Ci got the much better 2.0 litre valvetronic engine in 2001 afaik.

If you could stretch to the 320Ci then might get it cheaper due to the slightly higher running costs of the 2.2 litre engine. Here is a nice high spec one: http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=661850

Alternatively you should go over to the UK and buy a higher spec 318Ci yourself. Plently to choose from over there.

quarryman

the e46 318ci has 118bhp versus the 140bhp in the e36 318is but its actually faster than the e36!

e36 0-60 10.9
e46 0-60 10.1

I have to admit I was surprised when i got home and found it was only 118bhp..., it felt a lot faster than that.

Elessar

bazz26 wrote:

Yeah the 318Ci got the much better 2.0 litre valvetronic engine in 2001 afaik.

If you could stretch to the 320Ci then might get it cheaper due to the slightly higher running costs of the 2.2 litre engine. Here is a nice high spec one: http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=661850

Alternatively you should go over to the UK and buy a higher spec 318Ci yourself. Plently to choose from over there.

That would be my ultimate car, except it's automatic and doesnt have climate control.

OP: The 318Ci is indeed nippy, especially at higher revs. However, I'm driving a polo so anything is nippier. But if you're not a speed demon, a 318 will do you fine.

My head is currently wrecked thinking about getting either a 320Ci or 318Ci! 318 is cheaper to run and has everything anyone needs really.

Get the E46, the e36 design is showing its age now imo.

Elessar

quarryman wrote:

the e46 318ci has 118bhp versus the 140bhp in the e36 318is but its actually faster than the e36!

e36 0-60 10.9
e46 0-60 10.1

I have to admit I was surprised when i got home and found it was only 118bhp..., it felt a lot faster than that.

I know what you mean. It felt like the one I was test driving had a turbo installed (which it didn't of course). Leaning towards a 318 here..

Cyrus

bazz26 wrote:

Yeah the 318Ci got the much better 2.0 litre valvetronic engine in 2001 afaik.

If you could stretch to the 320Ci then might get it cheaper due to the slightly higher running costs of the 2.2 litre engine. Here is a nice high spec one: http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=661850

Alternatively you should go over to the UK and buy a higher spec 318Ci yourself. Plently to choose from over there.

that 320 is suspiciously cheap!!!

if its genuine looks like serious value!

this is a nice e36

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=379677

bazz26

Cyrus wrote:

that 320 is suspiciously cheap!!!

if its genuine looks like serious value!

this is a nice e36

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=379677

I think once you go over 2.0 litre (especially 4 cylinder engines anyway)your really limiting your potential buyers in this country. This plus the fact that it has 86k on the clock. While not huge mileage on a 7.5 year old car, a years driving or so more and your at the magical 100k mile mark which puts alot more buyers off.

unkel

bazz26 wrote:

I think once you go over 2.0 litre (especially 4 cylinder engines anyway)your really limiting your potential buyers in this country. This plus the fact that it has 86k on the clock. While not huge mileage on a 7.5 year old car, a years driving or so more and your at the magical 100k mile mark which puts alot more buyers off.

Get the much better and higher specced car for less than its simple sibling. Just like magic

bazz26

unkel wrote:

Get the much better and higher specced car for less than its simple sibling. Just like magic

Indeed. Good if your buying, not so good if your selling.

Andrewf20

Elessar wrote:

I know what you mean. It felt like the one I was test driving had a turbo installed (which it didn't of course). Leaning towards a 318 here..

Are you sure that e46 0-60 figure isnt for the later E46 318ci's with circa 143bhp?

Mitch Connor

Andrewf20 wrote:

Are you sure that e46 0-60 figure isnt for the later E46 318ci's with circa 143bhp?

if you click the link, it says teh 10.1 figure is for the 99 model with 118bhp. When did the later version come out?

quarryman

Andrewf20 wrote:

Are you sure that e46 0-60 figure isnt for the later E46 318ci's with circa 143bhp?

yes, my mistake, the newer engine had a better 0-60 http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/data-detail.aspx?deriv=11712

edit: sorry that was for the e36.

for the e46, the engine was upgraded to the 143bhp model in 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_E46

MercMad

Wasn't the 318 E36 Coupe called a 318iS ?

Doesn't this have 136BHP???

Seth Brundle

The 318i in coupe form was the 318iS. However, there was a saloon 318iS as well as the 318i.
There was no 318iS in the convertible, touring or compact version but there was a 318i (or 318ti for the compact).

Cyrus

quarryman wrote:

ok after driving a few Golf GTis and not being very impressed I've moved towards buiying a 318 coupe.

Went to drive an BMW e36 318 coupe yesterday but it had been sold so decided to try out an e46 318 ci that was on the lot. VERY impressed. It was much nippier than I expected and very smooth.

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=695530

Problem is; my budget is up to 11k so I reckon I'll be limited to e36s.

Is there much difference in performance and overall comfort?

The interior doesn't look great on e36s, one thing that impressed me in the e46.

I'm trying to find an e36 on carzone that i can try out today.

btw, i'm looking at coupes only.

bavarian-boards visitors might have seen this thread, posted there when boards was down.

since posting this i've reconsidered the 323i. insurance isn't much more so the only downside is the extra tax. Problem is, a clean 323i coupe is very hard to find here. So i guess the same question applies. e36 323 or e46?

just wondering what put you off the golf? i had one and liked it well enough i had mine chipped to 200bhp so was plenty quick, had the black recaro leathers which look great and i lowered it and fitted some BBS Chs, simple mods but people liked it a lot

E92

kbannon wrote:

The 318i in coupe form was the 318iS. However, there was a saloon 318iS as well as the 318i.
There was no 318iS in the convertible, touring or compact version but there was a 318i (or 318ti for the compact).

The 318ti had the same engine as the 318is in either the Coupé or Saloon, not the standard 4 pot.

MarkN

The GTI has 150 bhp and a fair chunk of torque, it's undoubtably quicker than the 318ci but only by a FRACTION! They also handle like Jade Goody.

I would go for the BM as it's a classier car and I owned a MKIV GTI by the way.

Having said all that, there is no way in the world I would buy anything less than a 6 pot BMW. If you can't afford a proper BMW for the moment then hang back for a bit!

michaelanthony

I have a 320i ( 6 cylinder) and I have to say that that the 318 ( 4cylinder) was better.

Cyrus

In what way? 320 has more power, sounds way better and has similar fuel economy, haven driven both i cannot agree with you, imo 6cyl is the only way to go in a bmw

HungryJoey

michaelanthony wrote:

I have a 320i ( 6 cylinder) and I have to say that that the 318 ( 4cylinder) was better.

I'm only hoping you got that the wrong way around. :eek:

Hj

Andrewf20

HungryJoey wrote:

I'm only hoping you got that the wrong way around. :eek:

Hj

Me too! Nice sound / performance out of the 6 cylinder