58s on Button (bluff)

a-k-47

25c/50c

sitting with 45 villain covers, only at the table 2/3 orbits so no info.


5,8s limp on the button BB makes it 2.50, call.

flop
6c,10c,4h

Vill leads for 2.50
call

turn
6s
leads for 3, i make it 12. ??
flat calls.

river
Qd

he thinks and checks.
MY MOVE?...

valor

limping on the button is really gross

a-k-47

lol. so sick.58s sorry...

breadmonkey

I would have rr the flop

sikes

Dont open limp OTB. I wouldnt call the raise with that crap. Give up now, he isnt folding anything average players at 50NL are stations.

a-k-47

He can lay AK and missed FD here.

sikes

a-k-47 wrote:

He can lay AK and missed FD here.

you think that AK is there and do you think thats enough?

a-k-47

re raise on the turn surely AK is passing to a push on the river.

sikes

If he calls your reraise with AK on the turn, you shouldnt be reraising.

a-k-47

that doesnt make much sense. Why shouldnt i be re raising here to get him off the hand when i know hes got air.

sikes

a-k-47 wrote:

that doesnt make much sense. Why shouldnt i be re raising here to get him off the hand when i know hes got air.

It does make sense. You dont.

On the one hand you raise on the turn to get him off AK then rinse and repeat for the river?

a-k-47

sikes wrote:

If he calls your reraise with AK on the turn, you shouldnt be reraising.

explain why i should not be re raising the turn. He misses river checks and i should not continue?. I pushed the river in this case AK or FD is not calling here.

sikes

a-k-47 wrote:

explain why i should not be re raising the turn. He misses river checks and i should not continue?. I pushed the river in this case AK or FD is not calling here.

You seriously dont see the point i am making?

If you raise the turn you want AK to fold, right? So when you get to the river you cant say you are pushing to get AK to fold again becuase he isnt there anymore.

a-k-47

In this case he called, so my move on the river should be the same.

sikes

a-k-47 wrote:

In this case he called, so my move on the river should be the same.

wtf?

On a side note, this is the worst day in boards history.

a-k-47

why because you choose not to bluff the river.

sikes

a-k-47 wrote:

why because you choose not to bluff the river.

Its not a case of whether I bluff the river or not I would have a good reason for either.

You decide however, to raise the turn to get hands like AK to fold. The you bluff the river getting AK to fold again. Thats stupid.

From what you have above you, squarely put him on AK and no other hand which is quite remarkable and I suggest you move up levels immediately.

a-k-47

the op has gone off topic. Main reason of discussion was to meant to be as played, what was best move on the river, not what his holding was or drawing to flush.

You decide however, to raise the turn to get hands like AK to fold. The you bluff the river getting AK to fold again. Thats stupid.

Yes i reraised to get him to fold but he called. Normally i would check the river but i honestly read him for a missed draw eg A,Kc (solely did not have him on that just in his range pf) so i fired again. The push on the river may also make him give up 10x.

Checking the river here is "stupid".

I like your snide remark at the end of your post, leave that to marq.

sikes

a-k-47 wrote:

Yes i reraised to get him to fold but he called.

But the raise was right yeah? So now he doesnt have AK apart from AcKc.

Preflop and flop are awful. Checking now is by far the best, becuase he simply isnt folding enough hands imo. People are these stakes just go into check call mode, dont bluff unknowns like this.

a-k-47

But the raise was right yeah? So now he doesnt have AK apart from AcKc.

correct, your right there are to many stations at this level even with the paired board and q river.