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A few tough spots... what to do? (new hands added)

  • 02-06-2007 6:14pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭


    what would you do here....???

    Villan is a good sophisticated player capable of good play and making moves... we have a history and in general we avoid each other at tables but there is an uber fish at this table and were both after him... he stacked fishboy twice hence his stack.... villan stats 24/18/2.5/2925

    Starting game 1612667093.

    Macspower is at seat 0 with $188.75.
    ice---beer is at seat 1 with $260.20.
    raise2win is at seat 2 with $777.34.
    Elmer005 is at seat 3 with $23.
    Raj1971 is at seat 4 with $158.85.
    PatserP is at seat 5 with $205.80.

    The dealer is seat 5.

    Macspower posts a blind of $1.
    ice---beer posts a blind of $2.

    (Macspower is dealt 8c 8s.)

    Pre-flop:
    raise2win calls for $2.
    Elmer005 folds.
    Raj1971 folds.
    PatserP folds.
    Macspower raises to $10
    ice---beer folds.
    raise2win calls for €8

    The flop comes
    Ac 7h 8h.

    Macspower bets $18.
    ice---beer folds.
    raise2win calls for $18.

    The turn comes Qs.

    Macspower bets $45.
    raise2win call for $45

    The river comes 5h.

    Macspower checks.
    raise2win bets $115.75.

    This is the exact ammount that I have left..

    My move??

    Just to give my thinking on the river.... while not happy with the flush hitting my intention was to check call the river and if he checks behind all the better.... but I'm pretty sure he is betting as my check showed my dislike for the flush and he's going to represent it anyway......

    now that it's for the rest of my stack I'm not so sure I should call

    Mac.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭valor


    i would just shove the river myself


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    call.. did he really call until the river to hit flush if hes a good player?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭NeoSlicerZ


    I'd shove the river, you had less than a PSB left. Call now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭Jam-Fly


    I probs fold this. your beating nothing here bar a very good bluff.
    5h fills every draw except 9T.
    He could easily have Ax of hearts.
    AQ, 77, 9T, you can beat these hands, but would he really play these hands like this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭robinlacey


    Macspower wrote:
    but I'm pretty sure he is betting as my check showed my dislike for the flush and he's going to represent it anyway......
    Mac.

    this doesn't make any sense.his turn calk tells you that either he has a hand that he thinks might be ahead of yours,or he has a flush.in both those situations he would never try to "represent" the flush,quite the opposite in fact.

    if he is a solid regular the former is far more likely,so you should push the river.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭Macspower


    thanks for the comments guys... I'll post the results in a little while.... general consensus seems to be to push the river.....

    Anyway here's another hand I had a tough decision to make...

    Same table as above.. villan is the uber donkey that raise2win is going to retire on... stats 85/55/5.5...... hence the preflop call OOP

    Macspower is at seat 0 with $195.
    Martin1478 is at seat 1 with $207.25.
    raise2win is at seat 2 with $1,086.34.
    jeremy57100 is at seat 3 with $105.50.
    fada06 is at seat 4 with $154.95.
    PatserP is at seat 5 with $264.30.

    The dealer is seat 4.

    PatserP posts a blind of $1.
    Macspower posts a blind of $2.

    (Macspower is dealt 5s As.)

    Pre-flop:
    Martin1478 folds.
    raise2win folds.
    jeremy57100 folds.
    fada06 calls for $2.
    PatserP raises $6.
    Macspower calls for $6.
    fada06 folds.

    The flop comes
    4h 8d Ad.

    PatserP bets $14.
    Macspower calls for $14.

    The turn comes 5d.

    PatserP checks.
    Macspower bets $25.
    PatserP calls for $25.

    The river comes 10s.

    PatserP checks.
    Macspower bets $45.
    PatserP raises all in for $219.30.

    action on me


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭robinlacey


    has he shown down any big bluffs before?
    against someone with those stats i think i'd have to call


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭Macspower


    robinlacey wrote:
    has he shown down any big bluffs before?
    against someone with those stats i think i'd have to call

    I think I have to call as well as I don't think he could check to me with a big hand.... but with this guy he could do anything....

    No I didn't see any bluffs shown but I have seen him push the river a few times into small pots of maybe 10bb's :eek:
    He was never called.... This guy has all the moves.. the donk bet.... the continuation donk bet..... the min raise.... the river min raise with air. the preflop raise from 7 to 12..... the check to the river with AA...... min raise every street and call an all in with middle pair to the nuts.... and quite a few more that he must have invented himself.... As I write this he is up to over 1k after getting the miracle card a few times ( I'm going nowhere until he's busto)

    Anyway the first hand played out as follows......

    Macspower is at seat 0 with $188.75.
    ice---beer is at seat 1 with $260.20.
    raise2win is at seat 2 with $777.34.
    Elmer005 is at seat 3 with $23.
    Raj1971 is at seat 4 with $158.85.
    PatserP is at seat 5 with $205.80.

    The dealer is seat 5.

    Macspower posts a blind of $1.
    ice---beer posts a blind of $2.

    (Macspower is dealt 8c 8s.)

    Pre-flop:
    raise2win calls for $2.
    Elmer005 folds.
    Raj1971 folds.
    PatserP folds.
    Macspower raises to $10
    ice---beer folds.
    raise2win calls for €8

    The flop comes
    Ac 7h 8h.

    Macspower bets $18.
    ice---beer folds.
    raise2win calls for $18.

    The turn comes Qs.

    Macspower bets $45.
    raise2win call for $45

    The river comes 5h.

    Macspower checks.
    raise2win bets $115.75.
    Macspower calls $115.75 and is all in.

    Showdown:

    raise2win shows
    Kh10h

    Macpower mucks

    raise2win win the pot (367.90) with flush King high.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭valor


    against that villain your bet sizing is really bad, your losing an awful lot of value


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭Macspower


    valor wrote:
    against that villain your bet sizing is really bad, your losing an awful lot of value

    Sorry Valor.... I'm prob confusing things here with a second hand....

    is this the first or second hand your talking about?

    Thanks,

    Mac


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭valor


    the second hand


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭Macspower


    valor wrote:
    the second hand

    Thanks Valor... you right of course.... bet sizing was poor alright


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭Macspower


    cant find the hand history for the last one but anyway I called and he has JJ and I took the pot...


    Next tough spot.... villan is fairly new to the table and i have no real reads. his stats show 43/3/.77/39

    Hand 3

    Starting game 1614029998.

    Fagman is at seat 0 with $68.71.
    niak6969 is at seat 1 with $149.60.
    guni007 is at seat 2 with $419.32.
    Macspower is at seat 3 with $270.25.
    DIAMANTIN is at seat 4 with $258.45.
    DeTD is at seat 5 with $221.35.

    The dealer is seat 3.

    DIAMANTIN posts a blind of $1.
    DeTD posts a blind of $2.

    (Macspower is dealt 9h 9s.)

    Pre-flop:
    Fagman calls for $2.
    niak6969 folds.
    guni007 raises $2.
    Macspower raises $13.
    DIAMANTIN folds.
    DeTD calls for $15.
    Fagman folds.
    guni007 folds.

    The flop comes
    3s 5s 6h.

    DeTD goes all-in for $204.35.

    WTFFF???????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭Macspower


    hand 4 .........

    this is a toughie... I'm prob favourite here?? but do i want to play for 250bb's

    Starting game 1614088839.

    Schollator is at seat 0 with $345.
    papimoujot is at seat 1 with $150.77.
    Macspower is at seat 2 with $446.
    TomBellagio is at seat 3 with $222.45.
    Pooleend is at seat 5 with $725.86.

    The dealer is seat 5.

    Schollator posts a blind of $1.
    papimoujot posts a blind of $2.

    (Macspower is dealt Jc Qc.)

    Pre-flop:
    Macspower calls for $2.
    TomBellagio folds.
    Pooleend raises $2.
    Schollator folds.
    papimoujot folds.
    Macspower calls for $2.

    The flop comes
    Ks 8c 10c.

    Macspower bets $11.
    Pooleend goes all in for $721.25

    smells of AA to me with the min raise perflop??? call or fold?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭Macspower


    hand 3 i folded as i just had no idea what he was at.....

    any ideas on hand 4 ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 880 ✭✭✭eggie


    Hand 3 looks like a flush draw, hand 4 is an easy fold, so little invested yet so much to lose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    any info on the guy in 4? you're only really worried about one hand. hmmm. i think i'd call.


    edit, actually no i wouldn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭Macspower


    any info on the guy in 4? you're only really worried about one hand. hmmm. i think i'd call.


    edit, actually no i wouldn't.

    yeah he's real bad.. all the moves...... he's been min raising a lot ( this happens a lot on this site... but there is a min raise button..;) ) he did get it ai with AA a while ago and they held... he's been getting action on his big hands and he has made this move before but went uncalled...

    pt stats are 55/30/3.2/75


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭NeoSlicerZ


    I would probably call no.3, then again I'm a bit of a station in these situations.
    No.4 is strange, without any previous reads I'd guess AA/KK but it's entirely possible the villan's an idiot and min raised with AcXc, to which you're in horrible shape. I'd ship it for ~80 BBs, but for 250BB, my inside gambler cringes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭valor


    fold 3 and 4

    why did u lead 4


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭Macspower


    valor wrote:
    fold 3 and 4

    why did u lead 4

    I lead because I might have the chance of taking it there and then with my big draw... 15 outs twice . I planed to bet the turn again if called.... Am I wrong? Am I better off to check call here?

    Mac


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭AKQJ10


    i fold 3

    hand 4 i fold as played aswell but i see myself check raising the flop and getting myself in trouble.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭Macspower


    being the station that I am I called hadn 4......

    He had a suited A of clubs and was also on the FD.. turn and river were blanks and he took the pot....

    Prob a bad call in hinsight as I didn't expect my outs to be limited


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